So You're Saying I Should Stop With All These Dreams About Dunks And Rainbows

by Akula Wolf on Jul 11, 2010 2:50 PM EDT

Luke DeCock on the different set of expectations placed on Kyrie Irving and Ryan Harrow:

While Krzyzewski has no concerns about his a freshman point guard, Lowe, who was once a freshman point guard in the ACC, was willing to voice a few.

He spoke of a "learning curve" for his new arrivals while noting "very few guys come in and dominate as a freshman." That pointedly includes Harrow, and even though the coach must be giddy at the thought of having this kind of player at his own position for the first time in his tenure at N.C. State, he seems to be setting an artificially low bar for the guard.

"As a freshman coming into big-time basketball, it's a big adjustment, a huge adjustment," Lowe said. "We can look around our conference, we can look around the country at big-time guards, All-Americans, and they'll come in and struggle a little bit. I know he's going to have his ups and downs, but he'll get it though. He'll get it. "

That's just the sort of thing I'd expect from a coach with an uncertain future who is trying to frame his situation in a way that limits a sense of disappointment. There's more pressure on Harrow and the other freshman at NC State for a number of reasons, not the least of which being the "tired of this shit" factor. (Or, if you'd rather, the "we hongry and would like to eat" factor.) K has no idea what that is.

Lowe will no doubt be doing his best to temper expectations throughout the summer and fall. And good luck with that, Coach. I can't hear anything through these Exuberance-brand ear plugs except my own delighted inner monologue! "Ups and downs"? Indeed, what goes up for mad dunks must eventually come down after said dunks. Dunks! Rainbows! Angels singing!

So anyway, what is a fair set of expectations for the freshmen? I've already outlined some ballpark figures based on how similarly-touted recruits have performed in the past. Based on that, plus the truthiness that comes from the gut:

Harrow: Everything about his stats at Walton last year scream speeeeeed. He averaged nearly 32 PPG by way of 65.2% shooting inside the arc. His free throw rate was excellent, and only about a quarter of his field goal attempts were threes. Clearly he was attacking the rim mercilessly and doing so with great success. He won't make twos at that rate in the ACC, of course, (la la la la I can't hear me!) but he won't have to and we don't need him to. For someone his size, a 2FG% in the mid-to-high 40s would be a success. I want to see him break fools down to the tune of 1.7 broken ankles/game, and moreso than points I'll be looking at his assist and turnover rates to gauge where he's at. I think the goals should be 25%+ assist rate (that is, he assists on a quarter of his teammates' made baskets) and a turnover rate less than or equal to 25%. Guys with assist rates in that range are doing a good job distributing, and that's the main thing. (Though scoring's good too.) Turnover rate might be the best barometer for a point guard transitioning to college.

Brown: Ideally, a modest-usage, opportunistic high-efficiency guy, at least at first. Play under control, take what's given, feast off the attention drawn by Leslie, Smith, and Harrow. That means somewhere between 18-22 percent of the shots and threes made at the moderate (say...35%?) rate we need. This also puts him in a position to keep the turnovers down, which is a requirement for the 2G. This leaves him underutilized, probably, but: one step at a time. If he is playing like this at the outset and putting up modest numbers, I don't want to hear you people complaining.

Leslie: Figures to be the most heavily involved of the three because of his talents and demeanor. He's the guy I worry most about playing out of control. If he takes more than 25% of the shots, that's probably too many and likely comes too much at Tracy's expense, which for now would have to be considered a bad thing. His usage and TO% will be good indicators of how he's operating within (or without) the offense. I figure his turnover rate will be a bit high, and that's okay so long as he's supplementing that with decent shot selection and a 2FG% in the high 40s/low 50s. And however many offensive boards/putback slams he can get his hands on.

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i have no issues

with Lowe tempering expectations with regard to Harrow. i do not see it as being done because of his job security as there should not be anyway that Lowe would think that doing so would save his job if this years team fairs poorly. i think he is looking out for Harrow. if Harrow does have a small learning cure Havi is there.
since i have read articles where pundits question Harrow’s speed and point out that is size may create problems for him in college play, i have some doubts. Erasing some of those doubts is Harrow playing last summer in a large number of big time AAU tournaments which pitted him against the best and doing very well-so well that he became a five star recruit. time will tell on this one with time beginning later this week in the Stackhouse pro-am.
i think Brown will be fine, but i read at Pack Insider that Leslie lacks the outside shot needed for the three position. my take: Smith goes back to center (where he will be happier becasue of more touches), Leslie goes to big forward, and Wood returns to the three. i think it would be hard on the team offensively if there is only one good three point shooter on the floor.

by sbas2 on Jul 12, 2010 7:26 AM EDT reply actions

opps!

“cure Havi” to ~~curve Havi~~

by sbas2 on Jul 12, 2010 7:28 AM EDT reply actions

opps again!

“cure Havi” to “curve Havi”. don’t know how that line got in there.

by sbas2 on Jul 12, 2010 7:28 AM EDT reply actions

I don't have issues either

That is why I like this squad. I think Javi actually becomes consistent this year and takes the pressure off of Harrow. Harrow will get a lot of minutes though and how much time he gets will be determined by how steep his learning curve is, which I don’t think will be much. I’m not too worried about the 3 ball this year, Javi can hit the three, Brown and Harrow can too. If wood is more consistent hitting the three we’ll have enough threats to place leslie at the 3 and go big with tracy and painter/vandenburgh/howell at the 4 or 5. This will help rebounding and defensively against big teams. With Wood at the two and harrow/javi running point we’ll only have 1 player under 6’7 on the floor. This will help when we play Wisconsin/Georgetown.

Against athletic/fast teams you put leslie at the 4, wood/Cj williams at the 3, brown @ 2 and Javi/Harrow @ 1. My only concern with that lineup is against a team like carolina where you have to wonder could Wood D up Harrison Barnes. Leslie needs to work on his jumper to become more of a dynamic scorer. But unfortunately by the time he does that he’ll be playin professionally.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jul 12, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions

Just saw Barnes/Leslie

at the proam, Leslie def needs to be guarding barnes at all times otherwise he will be killing, guy has a nice stroke and can get to the rim. I’m not sure if Wood could hold him, although I will watch when they play to see if he can. Wood will need to be on bullock because he likes to use his size, Wood can negate that and I think can hold him off the dribble. This is def. going to be a great match up this year, Especially seeing tracy work at the 4, he still will get some time at the 5.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jul 14, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions

I think Javi

will become much steadier due to lower usage and a lack of responsibility of being option #2 on offense. A lot of his turnovers came from having to force plays.

by PACKHOOLIGAN on Jul 12, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions