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Georgia Tech @ NC State post-mortem


Since Steven is likely severely hung over from a wedding he was fortunate enough to have to attend yesterday, thereby sparing him the gore... and then temporary false hopes... of our debacle, I'll give a few thoughts to kick it off... nothing statistical or based on replays - I was at the game & haven't looked up box scores, stories, etc...

  • This was one of the most bizarrely-coached games... on both sidelines... I've ever seen.  TOB kicks a 51-yard field goal into a stiff breeze on a 4th & about 4... but later GOES FOR IT on 4th and 9 when we're down 14, with a chip-shot 26-yarder being an option to cut it to 10.  Johnson tries to one-up him later... up 7 and facing 4th-and-2 inside the 10, HE goes for it, eschewing a chip-shot to take a 2-score lead.  Of course, it worked out for Johnson, but if it hadn't, and if we'd somehow marched to tie it, the two stops inside the 10 would've been huge for us & inexplicable for him.
  • To hell with depth & injuries - this team has about the same level of discipline as Amato's bunch.  If you'd dropped me in the stadium yesterday and told me to pick what year it was, I'd have gone the 2000-2005 era.  Who the hell jumps offsides on THREE CONSECUTIVE 4th downs where the other teams only intention is to get you to jump offsides?  And it's not like we were getting better at it - we had TWO guys jump off on the last one.  Ballgame.
  • OK - for the positives... we owned the middle two quarters - period.  Our defense did everything it needed to do - and did a truly amazing job of getting the defensive end in the backfield to blow up the triple option.  Having the QB duck it out of necessity & pick up 5 yards is a win for us.  Having Sweezy back helped - he's simply a monster - and yes, I'll admit that, if we had our top guys available on the DL, we're not likely to be sitting at 0-3 against 1-A competition right now.
  • Glennon was good - and tough, after hurting what looked to be a knee.  He was a freakin' statue - and yep, the O-line generally gave him time to throw.
  • For the first time this season, we had a legit running game.  Washington looked great - just needs to work on strength so he can break the first tackle in the hole.  His 50-yarder was beautiful - big hole, he spotted it, and no one could keep up.  Even a nice mini-stiffarm to boot.
  • In the end, you can't spot a good team 21 and have a reasonable hope of coming back.  We gave it a damn good shot, and I give the guys credit for not folding - they fought hard and gave us reason to hope, even when we knew better.
  • While I wish we'd hired Paul Johnson, he's somewhat of an ass-munch.  The last TD throw?  Really?  And can't you just punt the f'ing thing on your first possession?  Pretty please?
  • Oh - speaking of first possessions... the no-call PI on our first play was one of the most inexcusable no-calls I've ever seen.  The defender knew he was beat - he intentionally tackled TJ to just give up 15 yards instead of a deep ball... and the ref somehow called it clean.  This is the kind of thing people get pissed about... it changes momentum and the course of a game.  You can't simply look at total penalties/yardage and get the story of how a game was called... Tech's penalties (including a PI) came late when it was out of reach... ours seemed to always be at the worst possible time, and not calling something like the PI is just not OK.  Once - just once - I want to be the beneficiary of a game called so poorly that refs get reprimanded/suspended... it seems it goes the other way for us every time.

That's it for now... good thing was that I had no hopes of winning, so no disappointment/anger.  It's truly the only game I've ever gone to where the outcome was decided long before kickoff.  That, my friends, is a major problem.  In Year 5, we should be competitive in every game, and win 3/4 of them.

Time to start releasing those "profiles of a savior", boys... 4-8 is looking pretty good at this point... 2-10 looks possible.

Thank God the FCS exists...

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Oh yeah - that RW guy

First, we still lose yesterday if we have Wilson. I’ll get that out of the way.

Second, watching him shred Nebraska for 3 quarters last night gave me more joy than any moment in Pack sports for……. well, since he was here last season. Maybe more, given the national stage and endless adoration Musberger & Herbstreit heaped on him. I’m nothing but happy to see him in that much of a spotlight – and thrive in it.

Watching him scamper and make a top-notch defense look silly didn’t make me angry… it made me happy for him… and yep, still proud. Watching him drop two perfect TD balls deep made me think of Owen Spencer… and again made me happy.

And finally, I’m happy that he’s getting Heisman talk (which he would NOT have gotten here), and that he’s likely to at least get a shot in someone’s NFL camp (which he probably wouldn’t have gotten here). I’ve believed since he came on campus – and I still believe – that his best shot as a pro will come in the NFL. He has minor league baseball talent… but NFL football talent. He may not be a top-10 NFL QB, but he can sure as hell fill holes for teams when their #1 guy goes down. I hope he gets that shot…

by wolfonthehill on Oct 2, 2011 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

And I still hate the shotgun draw as a primary running play

I hate it when FSU does it… I hate it when we do it. Would an I-formation with Gentry knocking the piss out of the first defender in the hole really kill us?

by wolfonthehill on Oct 2, 2011 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

This coaching staff is bereft of original ideas

They make the same tired mistakes game after game. It is ridiculous.

That sequence of fourth down calls baffled me too Wolf, as did the decision to use the timeouts before halftime. That was mind-bogglingly dumb.

TVP and I have our list. I’m holding out till after the UVA game. Should we lose that one, I think we can say that there really is zero chance we make a bowl game.

by leewolf on Oct 2, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh, God - I'd blanked out the timeouts before halftime

Lemme get this straight – we DON’T use them @ Wake when the game is not mathematically over yet – but we instead wave the white flag.

Then yesterday, we USE the timeouts… all of which were dumb. Even the first one – when we had the ball… we’re at their 15-20 with 1:20 to go. There is ZERO urgency… we can burn clock… instead, we call a timeout, predictably score on the next play, and give Tech the ball back with over a minute to go instead of with 20-30 seconds like it should’ve been. And then, after one single tackle-for-loss, TOB thinks our D is going to shut them down on the next two plays. Best case, even if we do, they would’ve punted with 5-10 seconds left.. so we’re betting the farm on a 3-and-out, followed by a punt return for touchdown. Possible? Sure. More likely? the 50+ yard TD jaunt they took off on… which was fortunately called back. Without that holding penalty, TOB should’ve resigned at halftime due to sheer stupidity and inept in-game coaching decisions.

by wolfonthehill on Oct 2, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I know...but

A few thoughts:

- I’m assuming we win next week. Dear God we better just to save face on the season somewhat. CMU has a horrid D and until they played against NIU last week were having a tough time scoring points so I’m hopeful we can win.

- Consider the play of BC, UVA, and UMD so far. Terrible, not very good, wildly inconsistent. Will we win all three games? I would say no at this point but the possibility exists even with how we have played so far this year.

If by some miracle we were to win those three and then add in another from the other three teams left (Clemson, FSU, UNC…probably UNC) then yeah we are 7-5 (4-4) and bowling. Is this likely? No. But until after the UVA game I’m not going to rule it out. A loss to UVA makes it damn near impossible given the roadie at FSU and the razor thin margin for error at that point.

by leewolf on Oct 2, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good review

IMO, even though it was over before it began, this looked like the best performance of the year so far. Like you said, we actually had a running game.

And, the first two calls/no-calls that infuriated me were the PI that you mentioned and the horse collar later on. Yeah, the last I checked, tackling the WR before the ball is there is PI. And, maybe the horse collar was a legitimate penalty, but it seemed to continue the run us either getting run over, or if we do something good, there’s a penalty on us.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 2, 2011 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Good comments, generally agreed

except that Glennon was not that good. Made two absolutely crucial mistakes in the 2nd half that killed our rally.

The Washington TD run wasn’t a draw play – it was a counter out of the shotgun. Which raises a different point. We finally run some misdirection – the counter play, literally the most basic misdirection play in football – and it goes for a huge gain. We never run misdirection, no trick plays, no attempts to fool the D at all other than the occasional half-hearted play action. The D always knows exactly where the ball is going. Contrast that with GT, or Clemson. What the hell is the staff doing?

As I posted on Steven’s thread, the thing that bothered me the most was how the staff quit at the end of the game.

I forgot about the TOs at the end of the first half. What was he thinking? So many of the staff’s tactical decisions are just baffling to me.

by TVP on Oct 2, 2011 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

i miss trick plays

We could count on Chuck to make things interesting, either in terms of wacky formations or plays like the fumblerooski…now we’re as boring as the uniforms.

by Akula Wolf on Oct 2, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

TOB and Dana Bible

must really identify with Bix Rivers in The Moves Make the Man.

by PACKHOOLIGAN on Oct 3, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I prefer to call them Illusions!

Trick plays are typically mixed in at opportune times by well coached teams that are at a talent disadvantage as compared to their competition.

What part of that equation are we missing again?

by ginger avenger on Oct 3, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another bad start

Can’t really do much about that punt. Yes we didn’t see that coming, and it was bush league (haha) but our Special Teams didn’t retreat like the Broncos did against Green Bay today. We just got fooled there and I can’t complain. That play and the non-call PI were big time changers.

Secondary was getting shredded on each and every passing play and took us a while to adjust to the Triple Option, but other than that we looked OK. I thought, no offense TVP, Glennon looked pretty good… still way too many dropped balls from the receivers.

by chip24spb on Oct 2, 2011 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

George Bryan

No one mentioned this idiot’s bone-headed PF with 1st and G from the 3. From the dropped balls and this stupid penalty, this guy has fallen off big time

by packcanesteel on Oct 3, 2011 8:11 AM EDT reply actions  

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