NC State Football = Dead End Job

by TVP on Nov 12, 2011 7:28 PM EST

Here's the rant I promised, though it is not really a rant, rather just awful reality

Assume that TOB is relieved of his duties (court-martialed? drummed out? defrocked?) after this year.

We will have had 7 head coaches since 1980.

6 of the 7 were fired

NONE of the 7 was ever a head coach again (again, assuming that TOB heads down to the Charleston beach house)

NONE of the 7 would have lasted for more than 7 years here.

None won a conference title or went to a major bowl game.

I think only one (Sheridan) would have even managed a winning record in conference play.

We have tried small school head coaches. Big school head coaches. Assistants. Promoting from within. Young guys. Old guys. Every one was a failure.

Why would any candidate with options want to come coach here?

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Wahhhhhh

Quit’cher bitchin.

Look man. We are a good-but-not-great job. I have a very hard time believing that a mid-major HC (assuming he has no other offers) would turn us down. We have great facilities, good fan support, a good recruiting base, and would honest to goodness be happy with a coach who could crank out 7-8 wins a year.

You are missing out on some crucial facts by blaming the school and not looking at those coaches. Amato likely would never have made it through five years without Philip Rivers. He was a disastrous manager of people and his inability to hold together a staff cost him the job.

O’Cain was basically TOB in that he could win a big game occasionally but failed routinely against lower-level competition….and he also couldn’t beat UNC. O’Cain NEVER would have been hired if not for the way that Sheridan left.

Sheridan proved that this is a job that a good coach can have success here.

Yow’s premise is to find a winner. Someone who can recruit. Someone who has high-major experience. There are literally dozens of non-BCS level HCs and I-AA coaches who fit that bill. She can find someone who can make us successful on a Sheridan level.

by leewolf on Nov 12, 2011 9:17 PM EST reply actions

I think we can be decent

It all starts at the top. I still lived in PA before Sheridan, so I don’t know much about the Reed/Kiffin years, but I know Sheridan was good and would have continued if not for UNC-boy Turner. Turner then let O’Cain drive us into the ground. Amato won with Rivers, then Fowler wouldn’t fire him until forced to. And, as we now know, Oblinger was concerned about other things, so he wouldn’t hire a decent AD. Now, we have a new chancellor and AD who actually care about winning. I expect that we can be good, maybe not great, now that we have some decent leadership.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 12, 2011 10:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Fifteen years ago I probably would have agreed with this

Our facilities were garbage for a long time. But now that we’ve stepped up in that department, I think this is a decent job. The right guy could recruit here. Chuck proved that much.

Backing The Pack

by Akula Wolf on Nov 12, 2011 11:41 PM EST reply actions

I blame the lackluster administration more than the coach

I don’t think MOC, Amato ever should have been head coaches, and Fowler should have had no trouble finding someone better than Amato for the job. You were coming off the Jamie Barnette/Torry Holt/Adrian Wilson years. Talent was there. TOB and Sheridan I can’t argue with.

by chip24spb on Nov 15, 2011 4:47 PM EST reply actions