Turnover Troubles Strike Again As Syracuse Cruises By NC State, 88-72
| Four Factors | NCSU | Cuse |
| eFG% | 64.4 | 65.3 |
| Turnover Rate | 29.0 |
12.2 |
| Off Reb Rate | 37.5 | 36.7 |
| FT Rate | 15.4 | 21.0 |
| Pts | Poss | OFF_EFF | DEF_EFF | |
| Syr |
88 | 65.5 | 134.4 | 109.9 |
| NCSU | 72 | 65.5 | 109.9 | 134.4 |
NC State shot the ball well and rebounded well offensively, but again there was a double-digit negative turnover margin to overcome, and to no one's surprise, the team wasn't able to do it. This time around, Syracuse didn't let things stay interesting with a poor shooting effort. The Pack defense, particularly along the perimeter, was a problem all night, and even as State was rallying in the first five minutes of the second half, the Orange continued to get wide open shots at the basket. They just missed them for a little while. With no defensive intensity, that sort of luck most likely isn't going to carry on for long, and it sure as hell didn't on Saturday.
Give the kids credit for rallying, though. Syracuse is really, really good, and far deeper than NC State. And the Wolfpack should be pleased with the way they shot the basketball against that zone; it was easily Syracuse's least efficient defensive performance of the year. So there is that. With a turnover margin closer to even, we may have had ourselves a shootout. As it is, it's hard to think about anything other than the dreadful defensive effort tonight.
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well fuck son
I guess we arent that good after all. Hope we get out shit together in the cupcake fest we have coming up before conference games start up.
by ginger avenger on Dec 17, 2011 9:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Bonnies ain't no cupcake
Even though when I think “bonnies” a cupcake does come to mind. But yeah, I’m terrified of that game. Letdown zone.
not bad
They are better than us. We knew that going in. Our guys played well and never quit. I’m happy with the effort.
by PackMentality on Dec 17, 2011 10:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Total doesn't equal the sum of the parts
As a ‘Cuse fan I’d think you guys would be better. Maybe you’ll get better. I say this because it looks like you have some players. Maybe a first year coach has something to do with it, and kinks just need to be worked out.
Anyway, good luck in the ACC.
i saw two turns for the worse for State.
the first was when Howell picked up his second foul and went to the bench. if i remember correctly, Syracuse’s first run started at that point. the second turn was Leslie again having cramps and basically not being able to play anymore.
yes, the defense was poor and the turnovers really hurt. however, had Leslie been able to continue playing, the outcome might have been different. the same can be written for the Stanford and Indiana games.
what does Gott have to do? find out what Leslie’s problems are and keep him in the game.
would not one expect a team letdown at the point they realize Leslie is again out for the remainder of the game. this has to effect a team’s play.
I ain't saying it is his fault,
but I am pretty sure both the runs started when AJ replaced Zo. I believe this has been a trend in recent games as well when Brown goes out (Central for sure). We gotta find a way to give him a break without breaking. Anyone do +/- tracking for college?
Allow me to vent for a moment.
I am watching the game on DVR this morning (thanks, jerkface boss for having the company Christmas party last night at 6:30) and I am in the first half and Syracuse has made a 442 to nothing run. Yes, we have played sloppy, Calvin has had a few turnovers, we haven’t defended the perimeter, whatever. It sucks. But you wanna know what burns my ass? I already knew the outcome of this game, I only wanted to watch so that I could be reminded what the RBC looks like when it is packed with screaming fans. Now I wasn’t there, so all I have is what I see on TV, but it sure doesnt look (or sound) like a hostile road environment. There is almost an equally loud crowd cheer when Cuse hits a bucket as there is when the Pack does. I just don’t get it. Roy is right. Dont sell your tickets to the enemy. Am I wrong here? Was that just the way it came across the airwaves? Does ESPN continue to try and make us look bad my having the 3 rows behind the visitors bench mic’ed up? Tell me I’m wrong, because right now, I’m pretty pissed.
Ranty Rant Recant
OK, I watched the start of the 2nd half after I typed that. I guess if you have something to cheer about, it makes a difference. Well done RBC crowd, it got pretty rowdy in there.
Agree - the crowd was great when there was something to cheer
20-something to zero runs tend to deflate you a bit. But they perked back up VERY quickly at every opportunity. While I agree that the RBC Center / PNC Arena will never be a truly hostile environment, I don’t fault the crowd for that… it will simply never be Reynolds/Carmichael/Cameron…
by wolfonthehill on Dec 18, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
My thoughts?
Syracuse is a hell of a lot better than us. Period. We play them 100 times, we lose 95. So I’m really not that bummed about losing… we have a talent deficit right now, we have a depth problem, and we have the mental toughness of a 3-year-old. Those things will all take time to fix.
Positives:
- Holy crap, did Gott ever teach them how to attack a zone… and possibly the best zone in the country. Time after time, we had guys (and different guys!) cut to the free throw line, take a pass, turn, and drain the open 12-15 footer. Every game for the past 21 years, playing against a zone meant passing around the perimeter & chucking up the first three that wouldn’t get blocked. Our offense yesterday was truly fun to watch… well-done, coaching staff & players alike.
- Interior defense wasn’t deplorable, and we blocked out pretty well. Offensively, we grabbed our share of offensive boards, so I wasn’t too disappointed there, either. Solid enough efforts in those areas to have a shot.
- When he’s playing within the offense (ie, don’t ever fucking dribble the ball or catch it beyond 15 feet), Calvin remains a force… but he is far short of being the dominant player people expect him to be. Simply never going to happen. For about half the game yesterday, he played composed & was a big reason we played as well as we did during stretches.
Not-so-positives:
- Maybe I’m the only one who saw this… but I thought that Calvin’s insistence on playing OUTSIDE the offense was a primary reason for ’Cuse’s massive first-half run that ended up being too much to overcome. He continually forced things that weren’t there… led to turnovers… gave them momentum. After 1 or 2 selfish plays, he still needs to be benched, coached, and forced to watch for a while. Gott, believe it or not, isn’t being hard enough on him yet.
- Between Lo and CJ, their 2nd-half turnovers ended our hopes of finishing off the comeback. Some of the turnovers we commit are simply mind-bogglingly stupid… I don’t get what the hell they’re seeing or thinking.
- We still don’t set screens for Scott… he moves a lot… runs the baseline and pops out… but NO ONE sets a screen to free him up. Until that happens, his big nights will remain elusive… it’s just not that hard to guard a shooter when you just have to chase him and stick your hand in the air.
- Macrobeard is killing us. He can’t catch… he can’t make clean passes… and he still can’t jump. He looks depressed out there… I just want to see energy and effort, and with the exception of his fast break dunk (which was BEAUTIFUL), I just get the feeling that he’s going through the motions out there.
Overall, we played pretty well, honestly. The first half twenty-something-to-zero run obviously was the difference… but we didn’t fold at that point… and I give us credit there.
But this is not an NCAA-caliber team. Way too many flaws, holes, deficiencies, and bad habits for a coach to fix in just six short months. Recruiting will fix a piece… attrition will fix another… time in the program will fix the rest. I’m even more hopeful about the future after yesterday’s game… but that future isn’t 2011-2012.
Seriously though
It’s really hard to run screens for a shooter against a zone. And he shouldn’t need them against a zone either – he just needs to pop out and we need to have good ball movement.
the guys just missed him a few times
Whether it was failing to make the extra pass, or in one case with Calvin, dribbling into a turnover rather than kicking it out, the team deprived Wood of several open looks.
No depth
It’s that simple. Our top 5 can play with anyone. But no one on the bench besides Painter (who had a bad night) can play any time at all against high-level competition.
Didn't get to watch
but just looking at the box-score it immediately jumps out what the problem was. Turnovers. That is our primary issue, and why CJs have the opportunity to create 9 TOs boggles me. Williams is a shooting guard, he shouldn’t be allowed to pass into the interior. Leslie, yea you don’t get to dribble buddy. Other than that, everything looked great, statistically. Brown with 13 assists? nice. You still need to shoot more kid. We need to get to the foul line more, but that is a creation of the zone really. What was with Painter? He only played 10 mins, and we could of used his hops in this game.
Not going to watch, I don’t want to cry… Get one at Bonnies (hopefully) and gear up for ACC.
Watch the first 10 minutes of each half
Pretty damn good team you see for THOSE 20 minutes…
by wolfonthehill on Dec 18, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Ok So We Lost
Sports fans are always so down on their team when they lose…but sometimes I think we are too down on those guys…they fought, they just didnt play very intelligently…
Everyone has commented on the Big 3 Issues we have:
- Depth
- Turnovers
- Defensive Intensity
So…I won’t…but no one has said a word about the night CJW had and the year he is having…to me that’s a story that gets buried under these losses…
I agree
CJW’s play is getting lost in the weeds. I really thought he was the kind of player that should, ideally, be coming off the bench; that he just couldn’t handle starter’s minutes and usage rates without his efficiency falling off a cliff. But he has played well against some good competition so far. It is always nice to see a kid like him develop over the years into a good player.
by PACKHOOLIGAN on Dec 19, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
CJ
is also a great kind of player to have against a zone defense, because he seems to understand spacing so well.
by PACKHOOLIGAN on Dec 19, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions

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