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Profile of a Possible Savior: Chris Mack

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Previously on Profile Of A Possible Savior:

Shaka Smart (VCU)

Blaine Taylor (ODU)

Cuonzo Martin (Missouri State)

Brian Gregory (Dayton)

Chris Mooney (Richmond)

Gregg Marshall (Wichita State)

Keno Davis (Providence)

Darrin Horn (South Carolina)

Tubby Smith (Minnesota)

Billy Gillispie (Bi-winning)

Tim Miles (Colorado State)


Today's candidate:  41 year old Xavier coach Chris Mack, in his second season heading the Muskeeters.  Details after the jump.

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Important Questions, In Rough Order Of Importance:

 

1. Has he coached teams that have won a national title, made multiple deep NCAA tournament runs, and/or consistently been highly ranked?

 

No.  He made the S16 last year in his first season as coach, though.

 

2. Has he built a program from the ground up?

 

No.  Obviously Xavier has a long history of success under 6 coaches running now.    Sean Miller finished first in the A-10 for three years running before Mack; Mack has continued that streak in his first two seasons.

3. Has he substantially improved the program from when he took over?

 

See above.  Mack has maintained the high level of success at Xavier.  

4. Has he succeeded at more than one head coaching job?

 

Nope.  This is Mack's first HC job.

 

5.  Does he have significant high-major experience as either a head coach or an assistant?

 

Yes.  He was an assistant at X before following Skip Prosser  to Wake.  He spent 3 years at Wake before signing on with Miller at Xavier as an assistant again (more on that in a minute).

6.  Is his team one of the best in its conference right now?

 

Yes, the best. 

7.  Do his teams actually play, what is this thing called, "defense"?

 

Yes.  39th nationally last year, 54th nationally this year. 

8.  Any indication that he can recruit McDonald’s All-American-type players?

 

Yes.  For next year he has Dez Wells, a top 50 player from WOG in Raleigh (the alma mater of CJL and John Wall) committed.  He was involved in recruiting some of Prosser's better classes at Wake. Reasonable to think that he could translate that to our gig (a job that anyone can recruit well at). 

Tangent: If there's one myth that bothers me most about our job, it's the myth that you cannot recruit here.  Sid Lowe comes in with zero college experience and immediately lands JJ Hickson and Tracy Smith.  Herb recruited at least 3 McD AAs here and another 1st round draft pick, and tons of other top 100 players.  EVERYONE who has coached here besides Les has recruited many high level players.

9. Does he run the Princeton offense?

 

No.  Tought to get a read on their offensive style from Ken Pom's numbers.  This year 190th in tempo, last year 40th.  This year shooting only 33% from 3 and taking very few, last year making and taking far more.  I have not watched them play.

10. Does he have any connection to NC State, North Carolina, or the ACC?

 

The Wake connection, and his good recruiting in NC as exemplified by Wells. 

11. Any other random red flags or positives?

 

Random positive:  I spend more time than I should reading about sports (and other stuff) on the internet.  It's an easy release for me:  I have a job where I work a lot and I have irregular hours, so structured hobbies/extracurricular activities are tough.  Anyway, because of this I have a belief in the internet "buzz" - that is,  if you see little tidbits posted in several places from several sources, then there's a good reason to believe there might be something factual there rather than just noise or BS.  One instance is the persistent buzz linking Sean Miller to our job, which in combination with things I've heard off-line gives me a sliver of hope that he might come here.

With that predicate, the general "buzz" around Mack seems strong.  I've seen several people comment that this is a guy who has his [stuff] together, does not back down from anyone, and knows how to recruit.

Negative:  He's an alum of Xavier.  See below.

Also:   I would make references to Mark Morrison's "Return of the Mack" song for the entirety of his tenure, like I did above.  That may be a positive or negative.

Summary:

 

Would he be better than Sid?

 

Out of respect to Sid, and all he's done for our program as a player (mainly) and as a coach (less so, but still something), I'm not including this question in future profiles.  You can safely assume that EVERYONE profiled by me, Leewolf, Steven, or whoever, will be able to win more than 6 ACC games at least once in the 5 years of his tenure. 

Would he be better than Herb?

 

I think so.

The last 5 Xavier coaches have left for greener pastures:

Bob Staak went to Wake and was one of the worst coaches in ACC history.

Pete Gillen had decent success at Providence and parlayed that into the Virginia gig, which was a disappointment except in the press conference quotes department.

Skip Prosser had an up and down tenure at Wake, but mostly up, before his tragic passing.

Thad Matta has built an absolute powerhouse at tOSU.  (Interestingly though - people up there really don't give a shit.  My best friend at work is a die hard Buckeyes fan from birth, obsesses over their football team, but when basketball rolls around he's like, "oh, I think I should watch one of their games, I hear they are pretty good."  ARrrrrrggggh.  I want to, (and have) screamed at him "DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I WOULD KILL FOR THAT!!!!231231!!!!1").

Sean Miller looks to be on his way to doing the same at Arizona.

Given that Mack seems to be well on his way to at least replicating Matta and Miller's success, along with the very positive reviews of him, I think it's reasonable to believe that he is a better coach than Herb.  Not certain of course.  And in the interest of full disclosure, I don't have that great of an opinion of Herb.  I think BJD95 at SFN has it exactly right:  He is a B- coach.  Better than the D- coach we have now, but there are many, many who would do better here. 

Would he take the job if offered?

 

And here we get to the real rub.  The history of Xavier coaches above certainly suggests that he would.  Coaches don't stay at X; they move up and out.  Our job is as good of a job as the coach at Xavier can reasonably expect to open up and get hired at.  Of course we pay more than Xavier.  Of course our potential, as an indisputable top 5 ACC gig, is higher than Xavier.

But Mack is a Xavier alum.  He's made a lot of noise about wanting to be the guy that stays there and ends the trend of coaches exiting for "better" jobs. He's proven his bona fides in this regard by leaving an assistant job at Wake for one at Xavier (though on the flip side, that might have involved a "promotion" to top assistant/heir apparent - I don't know).  He's not that far off from having a real contender at X now, and he may reasonably believe that if he can recruit the likes of Dez Wells to Xavier already, why leave?  And in any case, two years may not be long enough of a stay at his alma mater for him.

I could see it going either way, but if I had to bet on it, I would bet that he stays.  And that makes me very, VERY wary of us even pursuing him at all.  About the only way that this coaching search could go badly for us is if the head coach of a mid-major turns down our job, and it leaked (and of course it would leak - someone always talks).  Regardless of the reasons, it would "vindicate" the flaming we've gotten from ass clowns like Gary "Fat Hobbit" Parrish and the rest of the CBS Sports douchebags and suddenly its 2006 all over again and Yow is down at Lake Gaston losing 30 pounds.  AAAAahhh God kill me now.

How would I feel if he were hired?

 IF, leaving my fears above aside, he did take the job, I'd be fairly scared.  Buzz/pedigree aside, he doesn't have much experience.  I think there would be a learning curve, and right now I don't want a damn learing curve - I want someone who already knows how to win.

IHow would the fan base as a whole feel if he were hired?

 

I think it would be very positive.  All but the most delusional Sid lovers (a few still exist) just want something new, and you wouldn't have to sell people too hard on "Thad Matta...Sean Miller...Chris Mack."

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Apologies for typos

I see a couple already. I have drank 3 Dogfish Head Indian Brown Ales (7.2% ABV) tonight) post-game, a really outstanding beer, and my typing is not the best.

To expand on the above: I checked out the youtube video for “Return of the Mack” – the “suggestions” on the side include Montell Jordan’s “this is how we do it,” Warren G’s “regulate,” Coolio, and Next’s “Too Close.” Oh hai it’s my middle/high school years back again.

by TVP on Mar 6, 2011 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

Cool

Man, one poster here likes Guided by Voices, another likes Dogfish Head. (Have you tried the Palo Santo Marron?) I need to hang out here more often.

by bms on Mar 7, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I am always wary of

reading too much into success at the X. It is obviously the top gig in the A-10 (I mean just show recruits the movie Airborne to highlight the great city of Cincinnatti, and they won’t be able to sign fast enough). If a guy doesn’t win there, then he is awful, but if he does win there then he can still do anything from embarrassingly bad to teh Awesome at a high major.

Mack wouldn’t be my first choice and I would be pretty nervous if we did end up hiring him.

by PACKHOOLIGAN on Mar 7, 2011 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

cincinnati?

cincinatti?

Pretty sure it is one of those.

by PACKHOOLIGAN on Mar 7, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that guy an albino

and/or from the future? Nice on the Dogfish Head.

by projectwentynine on Mar 7, 2011 8:56 AM EST reply actions  

yes and yes

Duke and UNC should fear a recruiter with a time machine. He’s unstoppable.

by Akula Wolf on Mar 7, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Beyond Barnes and Miller,

Mack is my top choice. He’s a TREMENDOUS recruiter and would be landing classes similar to this past season on a regular basis, and would have a better coaching background to actually do something with them.

www.riddickandreynolds.com

by RiddickAndReynolds on Mar 7, 2011 9:07 AM EST reply actions  

Any chance ...

… we could just have the Xavier AD hire our next coach?

by PeeDub on Mar 7, 2011 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

to quote a drunk Milhouse


This guy here, this is the guy.

His brief track record leaves us with the “who are you really?” problem, but I admit that his recruiting reputation has me more excited about him than any other mid-major candidate. He could be the perfect guy to lead the program for a long time and take advantage of the window of opportunity created when Roy and K retire.

by Akula Wolf on Mar 7, 2011 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

with the Texas Tech job opening up

There seems to be some buzz around Billy Clyde to Texas Tech. Seems like a reasonable move for both parties.

by Akula Wolf on Mar 7, 2011 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

Too bad ...

… Leach isn’t still there. Billy Clyde + Leach =

ONE HELL OF A PARTAYYY!!!!!

by PeeDub on Mar 7, 2011 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

You'd better be

shooting finger pistols into the air when you say that son.

by PACKHOOLIGAN on Mar 7, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I was ...

… going “PKOW! PKOW!” when I typed it. I hope that is sufficient.

by PeeDub on Mar 7, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

speaking of parties

Maybe we should be looking at Larry Eustachy.

That right there is a man who knows how to live the dream.

by Akula Wolf on Mar 7, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Time for

the obligatory Gary Williams chicken wing picture!!

by Core on Mar 7, 2011 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

He Ain't Coming

Here’s the next coach at NCSU- 22 years experience as HC with still alot of tread left- Dude is Coach of the Year in America Easr and led his squad to a Conference title with THIS ensemble:

Oh yeah, Asst. at UMd while Yow was in charge.

by Sportin'L.A.Gear on Mar 7, 2011 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

if Lonergan required all of his players to grow mustaches

Then he’d be my leader in the clubhouse, no question. Bring the sexy to Raleigh, coach!

by Akula Wolf on Mar 7, 2011 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

Nothing is Better...

…then a “Return of the Mack” reference…especially considering the irony in that if we hired Mack, Xavier would be the one playing Mark Morrison’s role in the song “You lied to me…”

Xavier should play ’Return of the Mack" every time that guy walks on the court…

by JEOHankins2 on Mar 7, 2011 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

Rick Byrd

Anybody have any thoughts on Rick Byrd from Belmont? Too old? Too comfortable as a successful mid-major? Too WTF kind of a hire?

by bms on Mar 7, 2011 4:00 PM EST reply actions  

i've looked at him

I think I DQ’d him based on his age and how long he’s been at Belmont.

by Akula Wolf on Mar 7, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Makes sense

Still seems like a pretty good coach though.

by bms on Mar 7, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This guy just doesn't excite me

I don’t know why, but he doesn’t. Maybe he is the next Sean Miller…and maybe he is the next Pete Gillen. I’m just wary of coaches from Xavier.

Plus as an alum, I wonder how hard it would be to woo him away anyways.

by leewolf on Mar 7, 2011 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

Mack is awesome and we'd be lucky to pry him away

My wife went to Xavier and I watch their games when they don’t conflict with State. In his two seasons, Mack’s teams consistently start slow and get better and better as the season roles. Mack’s teams play great defense and more importantly, his players are always under control. I was at the Richmond game when Xavier played one of the best zones I’ve ever seen to choke the life out of Richmond’s Princeton offense. I was sceptical of Mack when he took over for Miller but he’s completely won me over and, aside from my wife being upset, I’d love to steal the Mack.

by Wolfpacker 4 Life on Mar 8, 2011 7:16 AM EST reply actions  

You're welcome

Mack is the only coaching prospect that truly excites me so I have to sound off. I doubt we’ll be able to get him though because he played for Xavier and is from Cincy; Xavier is probably his dream job. He also has a killer recruiting class coming next year and his three best players are coming back so it would be tough to leave a program that’s at its peak and ready for big things next year.

Hopefully, money and his ego (battling coach K and Roy) will convince him that State is a good fit.

by Wolfpacker 4 Life on Mar 8, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

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