Back To The Drawing Board?
by Akula Wolf on Apr 4, 2011 10:30 PM EDT
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PrintLooks that way. Debbie Yow's letter to the faithful does not inspire a lot of confidence:
The conversations have been candid. We have not tried to sugarcoat the challenge of rebuilding our basketball program. Our absence for 5 consecutive years from the NCAA Tournament was noted by each coach as evidence that the program is in poor shape and will require a special effort to rebuild.
Finding a coach with the fight and fire to do this job has been a challenge. That said, we will find an excellent college coach who shares the vision of what State Basketball can become and is up for the challenge.
Like a lot of people, I'd been holding out hope that all of the developments today meant that Yow had her guy and was letting other candidates know they were out of the running. But nothing in this letter suggests Yow is set on anybody at this point. And that is very, very bad news.
We're pretty much screwed, is my guess.
Professor, without knowing precisely what the danger is, would you say it's time for our viewers to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside?
Yes I would, Kent.
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C list?
Archie Miller? The guy from Alabama? Ferris Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Class?
by StateFans2Glory on Apr 4, 2011 10:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The guy from Alabama
is in no way a C-list candidate, he would be harder to land than a Shaka or Marshall.
not a fake
i get wolfpack club events and caravan information from this same address regularly. The new marketing agreement with gopack.com and the wolfpack club is a subsidiary of cbs sports and originates from that california address. And I received that letter in my email around 9:40 tonight. Very depressing to be a Wolfpack fan right now.
it's been less than four days...
…and I’ve already had more hits this April than I did all of last April. Coach search madness.
doesn't hurt
that your competitors colleagues websites have crashed. I come here anyway, but the hordes have to be looking for a home and your site rocks, so…
Resolved: This search has gone worse for Yow than 2006 did for Fowler
Fowler was blindsided by Sendek leaving; Yow had prepared to ax Sid for months.
Fowler had to find a coach after the final four; Yow got an early start.
Fowler damn near landed Calipari; no indication yet that Yow came close to a big fish.
Fowler was never turned down by a mid-major coach; Yow was turned down by at least one (we think) and maybe more.
Fowler won the press conference with the fans by hiring Sid; little chance that Yow does the same.
Fowler hired a bad coach; Yow looks set to do the same unless she just gets lucky.
Am I wrong?
Don't know what the issue is with Yow
but one of the problems is that schools can think they have someone—and the interest may be genuine—but the coach uses the offer to garner a better offer from their current job.
And then when don’t get your first choice the egos run away and you have to go down the ladder.
I hate to say it, but it looks like it’s Frank Haith-alike time. Tim Miles, anyone?
hey, did State use a search firm for this or is Yow doing the negotiating herself?
I hesitate to go that far
But you make good points. I’m mostly pissed that Debbie robbed me of my blissful ignorance with this letter.
I have a feeling she may be trying to get a women's basketball coach to come to Raleigh
Geno Auriemma of UConn has been approached before by major programs to coach its mens program. Apparently in 2006, he was very close to accepting an offer to do it (looks like Oklahoma was interested), though the news never became public, and he now talked about it just a month ago or so.
http://blogs.courant.com/uconn_womens_basketball/2011/02/yahoo-video-geno-auriemma-almo.html
Though she will never say it of course, when she was at Maryland, Yow favored Brenda Frese over Gary Williams much more often than not by being openly supportive of the women’s basketball team (and she was a Yow hire too). She probably knows Geno Auriemma rather well at least through her late sister.
As with Geno this is possibly his last good chance at a decent men’s job since he has given signs about a desire to do so. He has complained to the press that his team got negative press due to their 90 game winning streak. He gave an interview recently saying that he was close to taking a good men’s job before just last month. On his end, Maya Moore’s career is over and there’s nothing left for him to accomplish now except to one-up Pat Summitt, which won’t mean much to most men’s basketball fans or the sport itself, his legacy in women’s basketball is basically complete. No way Geno takes the UConn men’s job because he’d be compared to Calhoun who now has three national championships and who knows how long he’ll remain there.
I won’t be surprised if he is one of Yow’s targets and this could be the home run hire that she needs, and a great opportunity for Auriemma to go head to head against Coach K, both Coach Williamses and the ACC. Recruiting won’t be much of a concern since he’ll have no trouble finding great assistants to find those recruits.
No way
He’s only been at Alabama two years. Would he really leave so fast? Would have to be a big pay bump. I smell an attempt to leverage a new contract at Bama.
He has improved the Bama program pretty nicely so far but
all they have is an NIT finals appearance, but I don’t think that’s enough for the Tide to bump his salary up that much right now.
Butler hit 3-of-31 twos against UConn
Clearly Brad Stevens needs to move to a place where he can get the top level talent to get him over the hump.
Where do you go from here??
If you’re a coach at this point, what would make you consider this job right now given the number of people who supposedly weren’t interested and the fact the AD that is wooing you just sent a letter to her constituents belittling the job and its inherent disadvantages? Money evidently doesn’t make a hill of beans in this case.
You can appreciate honesty
and that’s not belittling a job per se. A coach that relishes a chance to rebuild a team for success and has a track record for doing it before will want this job.
Virginia also has had problems trying to get a decent basketball coach back in 2009 when they canned Leitao despite having a new state of the art arena. They end up hiring Tony Bennett (probably their 4th or 5th option) who has been a .500 coach there overall, and he too could be under fire if he can’t get the Cavaliers moving in a positive direction next year though they don’t have any national championships to their credit.
Surprised nobody's called it yet...
Ballgame.
by packalum08 on Apr 5, 2011 1:07 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ballgame #2
Good call, packalum08.
I don’t see a way for this to end well at this point… that letter would simply not go out if she had a target in mind. Agree we’re at square one, with all A- and B- list candidates off the table.
She really oughtta just go through the “Profile of a Savior” list one by one… there are a few left…. right?
by wolfonthehill on Apr 5, 2011 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a sense
She had consumed a glass of wine or two. Just received a rejection. Took it personally and wrote a “woe is me” email ( like we all do on occasion ) . Unfortunately, instead of hitting delete she hit send. Oops. I mean really, publicly calling out Sid. Really?
I wish that were the case
but unless our admin is more incompetent than advertised, that letter went through countless layers of lawyers and PR people. That’s the rosy version of the story, everyone
by ginger avenger on Apr 5, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
yep, but...
how else to justify? Cardinal rules – never blame your predecessors – never focus on your weaknesses.
Also
why are all these coaches such fucking pussies? Oh no, I’d rather coach in the middle of Bumfuk, Nowheresville and stay in my cushy bubble, than grow a pair and go for greatness.
Do you like beer?
Do you like nachos?
How about you come to Raleigh and coach some basketball and we can have beer and nachos?
by PACKHOOLIGAN on Apr 5, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
DY Had To Respond ...
Shaka’s AD called us out. It’s on the Sports Illustrated web site. Marshall took the high road and didn’t mention any names. Don’t know about Cronin, never paid much attention to his aspect of all this. I refuse to believe we ever seriously considered him, but maybe we did.
So she had to say something.
Plus, there was a soft deadline she had to address, the tournament ended.
So she had to say something.
Historically, State has always done PR poorly. Apparently, that has not changed.
Didn’t like the letter, but agree that she had to say something.
She might have had to say something
but what she ended up saying shouldn’t have been that something.
It is going to be
embarrassing when Tennessee, a football school in the SEC that is probably going on probation, ends up making a much better hire than us (Cuonzo).
We should have just let TVP, Leewolf, and Akula run this search.
Seriously...they could have paid us a quarter of what they paid Parker
Speaking of which, WTF have those guys been doing all this time?
This article says Mark Turgeon passed on the job. But that’s the first I’ve heard of that. In fact, I hadn’t heard is name mentioned much at all, which I find surprising, because I think he’s one of the best candidates out there. I liked him better than Smart, Pastner, Cronin, or Marshall
Interesting
like you, I have not heard his name at all come up in the search (besides message board posts listing targets they like).
I went back
and re-read the Brey and Miles profiles. At least they haven’t publicly turned us down yet.
Goodman
is on the radio this morning repeating what a bad job it is… “insane fans” and Yow’s reputation as a boss
Whose show was he on?
I wish someone would actually challenge one of these guys on air to back up their assertions.
by PACKHOOLIGAN on Apr 5, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't understand
a national show spending any time talking about the NC State coaching search. The NCAA championship was last night, MLB has started, the Master’s is coming up. I have to think 95% of people listening could care less who NC State ends up with as their bball coach.
by PACKHOOLIGAN on Apr 5, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Only option I see for Yow at this point
Is to “go Saban.” Offer someone an ungodly amount of money. Makes someone the highest paid coach in college basketball. Only way to salvage this is to wildly overpay.
Everyone in the media hates us anyway, so who cares what they have to say about it?
I've got five on it.
Do you think Donovan messes with that endo weed?
i'll donate for the cause
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 5, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's flaky...
…at best. It also doesn’t help that they put a broken link as their top article. People are really coming out of the woodwork for this one. As for me, I’m done following this thing. Why would anyone want a front row seat for the Hindenburg landing? I’d rather find out what happened from a safe distance.
sure you are...
I’ve said “I’m done” multiple times – including this morning. But just like a moth to the flame here I am following and posting. We are NC State.
It's probably for the best
I got so optimistic yesterday when SFN went on the twitter “offensive”. But I guess they know as much as the rest of us.
by PACKHOOLIGAN on Apr 5, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there a precedent for a University taking a season off?
I dunno, possibly use the time to find itself. Backpacking around Southeast Asia is an option.
i think this is what we need
We just don’t know who we want to be in life. Best thing to do is head overseas for the summer, kick it with our boys, and hit on some foreign chicks.
that would really kill the program
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 5, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Here, hire him and lets move on 3 or 4 years
7 NCAA tourneys in the last 10 years at a major conference school that plays in a high school gym. Will recruit sleepers from anywhere-Cali, Colorado, Antartica-wherever. So we can just set those guys up with role players from the NC prep ranks and watch him run his “Tight Flex” (sounds like something principal Skinner keeps is his top drawer for corporal punishment. The offense resembles five guys playing four-square ith a basketball hoop, but no ones thinking along those lines anymore.
by Sportin'L.A.Gear on Apr 5, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
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