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NC State's coaching search changed course in a hurry. Less than 24 hours after Debbie Yow sent a panic-inducing letter to Wolfpack Club members, word broke that the school had its man. Former Alabama head coach Mark Gottfried was introduced early this evening.

During the press conference, Yow  was quick to tout the fact Gottfried helped Alabama reach the top of the polls, and she spoke very highly of the coaching staff Gottfried will attempt to assemble.

"The hardest part for me right now is sitting here because I’m ready to get to work. He already talked to me about some ideas for staffing that blew me out of the water."

 The day became less about Gottfried and more about Yow after she addressed a question about her reputation within the college coaching ranks:

"I don’t have a reputation across all of men’s basketball of being difficult to work with," Yow said. "I have a reputation of not getting along with Gary Williams, who has tried to sabotage the search. Come on. We all know that, OK, so whatever. It’s not a reputation. It’s Gary Williams out there doing his thing. Whatever."

That's the most stunning thing I've ever heard during an NC State press conference. She even mentioned a forthcoming article from a media member on the subject, which I assume was a nod to Gregg Doyel. Williams responded through a spokesperson:

"I haven’t talked to anyone --- coach or athletic director --- connected to the N.C. State search," Williams said. "I don’t have any interest in the N.C. State search, since I’m coaching at Maryland and working hard to run our program. Anyone who says I’ve had contact with a prospective coach or athletic director regarding this search isn’t being truthful."

Am not!

Are too!

I'm all for good theater, but the last few weeks have been exhausting, and this spat opens the door for more abuse from national media members and promises to extend the pain that is this whole ordeal. I don't like Gary either, Debbie, but next time maybe you should just put a sock in it. Or challenge him to a duel. Either way.

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Just posted this on the armageddon thread

while this was getting put up

In my opinion, Yow f’d up a very good press conference by Gottfried. She couldn’t put the petty shit behind her and just handed the press more ammunition in their war on NCSU athletics. It was amateurish and came off as very insecure.

At this point, I don’t believe anything out of Yow’s mouth about some dream team of assistant coaches. Let me get this straight, we couldn’t land a mid-major coach with $2MM/yr, but all these great assistants are chomping at the bit to come? I’ll believe it when I see it.

I doubt one of the assistants will be Dino Gaudio. He has turned down chances to interview for head coaching positions, mostly mid-major, but at least one Big East job. The only reason he might come here as an assistant would be out of spite of WFU.

I hope the dream team is coming. Gottfried should be a step up from Lowe and I think his style will fit Harrow, Brown, and Leslie very well (if they stick around).

by mplode on Apr 5, 2011 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Also,

do you think Yow sits behind the UMd bench and heckles Gary from here on out at the RBC?

by mplode on Apr 5, 2011 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

i sure hope so

They should at least have a good stare-down.

by Akula Wolf on Apr 5, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just talking to myself here...

Does SFN need to go on a Twitter mea culpa for their Twitter offensive?

by mplode on Apr 5, 2011 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

You know they'll spin it

like they know something crazy that went on behind the scenes but they are not free to speak about it in detail (see: last coaching search)

by PACKHOOLIGAN on Apr 6, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still processing this hire

Lot of similarities here between this hire and hiring a guy like Brey, Gillispie, or Lavin.

The more I think about it, the more I think it might work.

Honestly, I had to look the dude up when the word came out. I was in shock for a good 20 minutes.

But as I read up on him, this seems as likely to work as hiring a mid-major who had no experience at this level, and perhaps even more likely. By “work” I mean “consistently good team” – I think the odds of a homerun are basically nil. But that’s OK.

You doing a POAPS on Gottfried?

by TVP on Apr 5, 2011 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah

It may be modified a bit but I’ll cover the important stuff.

by Akula Wolf on Apr 5, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

i feel the same as you. i needed some time to process this hire also. i was 100% behind hiring shaka smart but this hire is better than the remaining mid-major candidates who didn’t turn us down. he has the qualities i was looking for in a coach..fiery, competitive, up to the challenge, uptempo offense, etc. he reminds me of lavin also. lavin was out of basketball and wasn’t one of the top choices for st john’s but he put them back on the map in 5 minutes. he won’t drive coach k or williams out of town but he’ll be a pest to them in recruiting and playing in the acc. this guy will get us into the tourney very quickly i believe and be a thorn in the top team’s sides. as for yow, she did a bad job during this hiring process but it will all be worth it if gottfried can succeed. i think her feistiness is actually a positive. it’s kinda refreshing to see someone actually speak their mind instead of the normal BS. i didn’t think i would be but i’m kinda excited to see what they can do now.

by ctbullets on Apr 5, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Gottfried can be a diamond in the rough.

He took a program at a school where football will always be king and made it a national player and several NBA players come from Bama during his tenure (Mo Williams, Alonzo Gee, and Gerald Wallace), and having coached them will make him attractive with recruits.

by thewiz06 on Apr 5, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok I have been trolling these forums today, but on a more serious note

But I must admit I am a Gary fan. He is obnoxious as hell during a game, and a very brash personality. Yet many in the coaching world call him a friend. If you get a chance look up Gary Williams and the Hall of Legends induction ceremony this year, watch a video on his speech. VERY TOUCHING. It is here you will see the man, not the coach.
 
He is extremely dedicated to the kids and to the sport. He even broke down to tears when he discussed retirement, and his grandkids (as he had admitted that he neglected his family over the years due to his passion of the game). MANY former players and assistants came out to this event, and they all said they would go to bat for this guy in a second (With many of the players being brought to tears when they described their mentor). I Know as NC State fans you may dislike him, but as human beings I cannot see how you can fault him for his coaching/devotion to the game and the kids.

This fiasco stemming from the PC was the result of childish behavior on Yow’s part, and whatever story Doyle posts I am sure it will be on the level of idiocy to his previous rants. – http://deadspin.com/#!5069803/gregg-doyel-is-a-rather-disagreeable-little-fellow

I wish this new coach the best, and much like MD’s new football coach it is sad to see him enter in such a tumultuous way.

Hopefully this whole ordeal will however spark up the rivalry as there will never be abetter game in Basketball than the 1974 title game.

by terpfan2011 on Apr 6, 2011 2:43 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

OK

Glad you’re not trolling any more.

by PeeDub on Apr 6, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Oh, am I still here?"

Seriously. Not very professional of Debbie Jean King.

by projectwentynine on Apr 6, 2011 4:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Probably best to just stop talking about this

Look, I work in a professional job and I act professionally, but there have been a few times over the years where I thought someone was trying to **** with me that I lost my cool like Debbie lost hers. Fortunately for me, I did not have a microphone in front of my face and I had time to calm down.

This wasn’t a calculated move on her part, it was an emotional reaction born of frustration. She’d take it back if she could. It was the southerner/redneck coming out for a second.

Let’s move on and talk about the new coach, who I’m starting to think will do pretty well here.

by TVP on Apr 6, 2011 6:52 AM EDT reply actions  

He'd Rather Be At Alabama

Somehow MG screwed up his dream job at his alma mater. And then he couldn’t get a look for two years until his (“I’ve known him for 18 years”) big sister rescued him.

I’ll support him, but let’s not kid ourselves. This went south and DY tried to make the best of it.

Not a good day for the Pack.

by Wolphpack on Apr 6, 2011 8:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Bama fan here

Here are the basics: The guy is a killer recruiter, no one questions that. He has the great recruiter, weak coach rep, and if you look at what he did and what he had most of the years he was in Tuscaloosa, you will understand. Also he is committed to the UCLA high post offense. Considering his record and his time away from coaching, I would be cautiously optimistic as a NCST fan. I think he will build the team up and achieve much more than what has been going on there lately. However I do question how high he can go, and how long he can sustain success.

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 6, 2011 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the input

Heard the sports editor from a tuscaloosa paper on the radio this morning. He seemed to be saying that a lot of the reason that Gottfried’s Bama teams struggled his final years was that Ronald Steele always seemed like he would come back from his injuries, so Gottfried couldn’t get any good PG recruits, and then Steele would get reinjured, leaving the team in a bind. That probably was a factor, but a team should never be that reliant on one guy for multiple seasons.

by PACKHOOLIGAN on Apr 6, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes and no

that is true, but things were starting to go downhill already and they still were underachievers even with that factored in. I watch games as an excited fan, not as someone breaking down a team for its strengths and weaknesses, but outside maybe three years sandwiching the Elite 8 run, they never got the results they should have with the team on paper if you get what I mean. I can’t tell you why. Perhaps with the time away from the game CMG has learned some things and will adjust. The one criticism I heard that I heard that I would agree with a bit is that he seemed locked into one way of doing things and did not know what else to do when it did not work. As a fairly young guy, maybe he has learned something. I will say he brought some good years to Tuscaloosa, and while it was clearly time for him to go, I was sad to see him leave. I have always been a Duke fan (please don’t hold it against me!), but I will definitly be pulling for the Wolfpack next year. We can all agree to hate UNC, right?

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 6, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

And you don't think that they were underachieving

before MG got there and rolled players out there like Sprewell, Horry, McDysse? You know better as a ‘Bama BBall fan for sure, but after 3 years of getting his feet wet at the Major Conference level, and getting his style of players in- High Post offense or whatever (seriously, no one friggin’ cares as long as the ball goes in-ask Butler) he reeled of this- 5 straight NCAA appearances, an Elite 8 and reaching the AP #1. With Ronald Steele and after the Elite 8 team they go 61-28-without Steele, 30-28. I think that speaks to the fact he didn’t get his PG position fixed, therefore it cost him dearly. Underachievers?! Atleast we now know another fanbase would have run off Sendek for sure.

by Sportin'L.A.Gear on Apr 6, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

?

I have no idea what I did to you. I painted a fair and accurate picture of a coach who I really like, much more than many of the fans. I was merely giving my opinion to PACKHOOLIGAN. but since you brought it up, if he goes 14-23 in conference, as he did to end his tenure at the Capstone, I fully expect to see you here being a jerk and telling everyone he awesome. 14-23 in the SEC is pretty awesome, you agree don’t you?

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 6, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think

he was dissin’ you.

He’s just saying that yes, the Steele issue seems to have been a big one. Also that you were underachieving compared to talent before he got there. And that if Sendek had squeezed in an elite 8 and a #1 ranking (and some personality …. whaa?) to his resume here, he might still be here.

by PeeDub on Apr 6, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

that after the weave and heave, any offense has got to look good as long as it works.

by PeeDub on Apr 6, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never said anything bad about the offense

just thought anyone here that didnt know might want to know what he ran. And actually since he brought up Horry and Sprewell, back to back sweet 16s followed by a second round (under Wimp) seems pretty good. If you want to use his replacement David Hobbs as a measuring stick, well more power to you. I apologize for coming over.

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 6, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some people

just gonna get offended.

I think I’d have hoped for more from those two.

by PeeDub on Apr 6, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats naming 3 players

spelling one incorrectly, failing to mention Mcdyess left after his sophmore year, failing to mention the years between 1 of the three, freaking out because I mention the offense CMG runs (why?), and bringing up tihngs that have nothing to do with the discussion. Not to mention the Elite Eight run was Ronald Steele’s senior year of high school. Who was the PG for the good years? Antoine Pettway, a walk on. So not only did you bring up a bunch of stuff that had nothing to do with the discussion, but the part that was relevant was wrong. I will bow out to your wisdom as you obviously not only know everything, but also cant stand anyone else speaking.

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 6, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

and yes I knew that Steele wasn't there yet

Ronald Steele and after the Elite 8 team” I just wrote it poorly that he came in after(and I thought it ok to mispell Mcdyess even though he was one of the baddest players I have ever watched at the college level-straight sick) Seriously, sorry. I always post the funniest, most self-mocking stuff on this cool blog- the three weeks have been embarrassing as hell for our program.

by Sportin'L.A.Gear on Apr 6, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Always a risk

deciphering typed words of someone you have never encountered. Sorry I went off and acted like a dick, I took it in the worst sense. Anybody that would turn around and say that rather than ratchet it up is good with me.

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 6, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I'm still getting a Christmas Card?

BTW-back in the day I was a huge baseball fan/player and I have a question for you. Do Otis Nixon ever go up to bat and NOT square around to bunt atleast once? Kidding-I tried to do the same in Legion when I realized I couldn’t hit anyone’s junk. Love to see the stopwatch after he ran around the diamond and touched ’em all.

by Sportin'L.A.Gear on Apr 6, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

otsi was running on

some high octane fuel.

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 6, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

see what happens when you belittle

other’s spelling?

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 6, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

and yes

a Jason Heyward christmas card

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 6, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I regret being a jerk

For sure, I went off the ledge in my depiction of your assessment. Please let me apologize. In my weakest defense, it has been a hard time being a die hard Pack fan these last three weeks – even compared to the last 20 years its been rough. The program, the Administration, the fanbase, have been racked through the coals and dragged back over the mud. I like many others have been overly anxious to get this process over with. I want our new Coach to hit the ground running, and while your assessment sounded fair and level headed, choosing the phrase “they were underachievers” lit a fuse. Again, my bad- I want to stress that Dr Yow is focusing on his intense desire and win big and her demand that the program rise back up.

by Sportin'L.A.Gear on Apr 6, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

As I said

anyone that admits their faults is good with me. I have just been given _ a few times today and was primed. It wasn’t saying “underachieved,” I just was confused. Thought I gave an honest assesment and took the critique a little hard. Good will to everyone!

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 6, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

And perhaps you were a bit harsh

but no “jerk” I know would have posted this above.

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 6, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I almost tear up thinking of Ronald Steele again

that kid was lottery pick material before it all went to hell.

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 6, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Steele was impressive

Hate to see a kid get cut down by injuries like that.

by PACKHOOLIGAN on Apr 6, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do yall have anybody

long that passes well? If so they can hit the ground running

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 6, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Richard Howell is probably

our best passing big man, although he might also be our best low post option next season so having him in the high post might not make sense. If CJ Leslie stays he might be able to play the high post (he typically had that role against zone defenses this year).

by PACKHOOLIGAN on Apr 6, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

if you look at the elite eight

team at bama, chuck davis made it. he was the center, about 6-8 6-9, passed real well. he was the high post, probabably 7 foot wingspan and real athletic. lots of offensive rebound chances, plus easy baskets passing then rolling, or slipping screens. get a guy like that, a good shooter, and an athletic 2 or 3 willing to crash the boards and do the dirty stuff and the offense will roll

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 6, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

appreciate your perspective

It’s encouraging that he recruits well because we need that, though I worry how much being out of the game is going to hurt in that department.

by Akula Wolf on Apr 6, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

and I apologize, I obviously took the wrong tone, and hate to make a bad impression as a first time guest.

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 6, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Double BAMA fan

I’ve posted here for a while, and definitely make it a point to stop by and see what is going on as this is definitely one of the best State Blog sites…(SFN SUCKS! Sorry Akula, if they come and shut you down now.)

My parents went to BAMA, I grew up a BAMA fan but went to NCSU and love that school. A lot of my money goes there (State). MG did good things for a BAMA program that had been nowhere. That is one thing my father and I agree on. The resignation itself stemmed more for the blonde than it did from Steele. I’m not going to deny the team was slipping, but you generally don’t get fired until after the season (especially from your own school). Otis puts out a pretty good description in his first post; and, yes, Otis, Sportin LA wasn’t mocking you at all…he was happy to see a fanbase that shared sentiments to our own.

I was cautious with this hire, but there is potential, and no, it can’t be worse than Lowe. Why he was offered the job in the first place, I’m still questioning that.

by chip24spb on Apr 6, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just wanted to add

Boooooo Bama Boooooo!

(Father and uncles all Auburn grads)

by PACKHOOLIGAN on Apr 6, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

its ok

no one is perfect

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Apr 6, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bama played in a (then) tougher SEC West

I’d say he did pretty good for the majority of his time in Tuscaloosa

by golfballs03 on Apr 6, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couple thoughts

First, I don’t see how this is any more of a gamble than hiring even a Mike Brey, let alone a mid-major. But, as with any new hire, we’ll see where it goes. I at least think that DY believes this is a homerun hire.

Which leads me to my second thought. From everything that occurred at the press conference, I don’t think DY would lie about anything. She may say some things she shouldn’t, but, to me, that more reason to expect a very good coaching staff. If she were very smooth and skilled at posturing, I would be more concerned with her honesty. But, it was clear to me that she was very excited about the hire and the prospects of the program’s future. Her outspokenness about Gary Williams just re-inforces to me that she probably isn’t skilled in posturing, so I expect that her excitement was genuine.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 6, 2011 8:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

yes

I think he’s comparable to Brey. But the plus is that Gottfried didn’t come from Duke.

by golfballs03 on Apr 6, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, I am going to come off the ledge

and try to get behind this hire.

Pluses:
Head coaching experience, mid-major and high-major
Led two programs to multiple NCAA tournaments making it to the Elite 8 once
Achieved an AP ranking of 1 at Alabama
Perceived as a good recruiter

Minuses:
Has not coached in 2 years, which means he has not been recruiting for 2 years, which means he is way behind
His alabama teams were on the decline culminating with him leaving mid-season

by PACKHOOLIGAN on Apr 6, 2011 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Folks, enough..

She needed to defend the integrity of the position, and while folks think she was counterproductive in how she went about this- then tough $h^t. It was not a calculated swipe at that snatch-head in College Park. This was born out of the media frenzy reported out of Houston that she sucked to work for. Then it was brought head on by a stupid question- a leading question- by another quack media member, to a new head coach minutes into his introducing. Yow needed to come quick and forceful to end this charade and allow the new HC an opportunity to go to work w/o this nancy-pancy behind the scenes crap floating about. She said it-answered it-now move on.

by Sportin'L.A.Gear on Apr 6, 2011 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

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