Profile Of A Possible Savior: Mark Gottfried
Mark Gottfried is our guy, but is he our savior?
Important Questions, In Rough Order Of Importance:
1. Has he coached teams that have won a national title, made multiple deep NCAA tournament runs, and/or consistently been highly ranked?
Not really. He was an assistant at UCLA for a long time and was there when they won the national championship in the '90s. He was a big part of their recruiting efforts, but as far as guiding a lot success in the tournament himself, that hasn't happened. His Murray State teams made the tournament two out of three years but never made it out of the first round. At Alabama he took the Crimson Tide to five NCAAs and made it out of the first weekend just once. But Alabama's Elite Eight appearance under Gottfried is the only E8 appearance in the program's history.
His Alabama teams did make regular appearances in the rankings. They were in the preseason AP top 25 five times, cracked the top five in three different seasons, and finished ranked twice (once in the top 10). And as has been noted a lot in the last couple of days, the Tide reached #1 in 2003. From 2001 to 2007 (seven seasons), Alabama spent 82 weeks in the AP Poll (out of 126 possible).
Murray State finished the year in the top 25 once during his tenure, something the program has done just twice in its history.
2. Has he built a program from the ground up?
No. At Murray State he was simply continuing the program's run of recent success, much like what Sean Miller did with Xavier. The Racers were OVC heavyweights by the time Gottfried arrived; they'd made five NCAA tournament appearances in the eight seasson prior to his arrival, and they won the league regular season or tournament title in seven of those eight years. Gottfried kept the ball rolling, winning a regular season and/or tournament title in each of his three seasons, and as mentioned, he made two NCAA appearances.
Alabama was more of a rebuild, but wasn't a huge undertaking. In fact, Alabama pre-Gottfried looks a bit like NC State pre-Gottfried, though his predecessor at Bama was better than Sid Lowe.
1995: 23-10 (10-6; NCAAT)
1996: 19-13 (9-7; NIT)
1997: 17-14 (6-10)
1998: 15-16 (6-10)
They'd become afterthoughts in the SEC but weren't totally lifeless.
3. Has he substantially improved the program from when he took over?
He did, yes. His first two seasons at Alabama were struggles, though he did take the team to the NIT in his first year. He began to turn the corner in his third season; that team missed the NCAAs but finished 25-11 (8-8), which at least got them back into the conversation. In year four (2002) the Crimson Tide were back atop the SEC and in the NCAAs; the school's 12-4 league record took the regular season crown.
That 2002 NCAA appearance was the Tide's first since 1995. They were ranked in 2001 for the first time since 1997. Their regular season SEC title was their first since 1987.
For whatever reason, though, he couldn't sustain that success and keep the program moving forward. Alabama missed the NCAAs in his last three seasons.
4. Has he succeeded at more than one head coaching job?
Yes.
5. Does he have significant high-major experience as either a head coach or an assistant?
Yes. Both. He worked as an assistant at UCLA from 1987 to 1995 and was head coach at Alabama from 1998 to 2009.
6. Is his team one of the best in its conference right now?
N/A.
7. Do his teams actually play, what is this thing called, "defense"?
Not so much, no, and this is a serious red flag. KenPom data goes back to 2003, which encompasses his final seven seasons at Alabama, and only once in that time did his team finish in the top 50 in defensive efficiency (right at #50). I explained a couple of their defensive issues in my post about tempo yesterday, namely that they had issues forcing turnovers and rebounding the ball defensively.
He'll have to light a fire under a program that went 86-78 under Lowe, including 25-55 in the ACC. That'll be a challenge because lighting a fire under his players wasn't considered one of Gottfried's strengths at Alabama.
Crimson Tide fans remember a head coach who'd lost his way, whose program had slipped after five straight NCAA trips for various reasons, including inconsistent effort and sporadic interest in defense.
8. Any indication that he can recruit McDonald’s All-American-type players?
Absolutely. He signed four Burger Boys while at Alabama (JaMychal Green, Richard Hendrix, Maurice Williams, Gerald Wallace), all four of of whom were consensus top-20 kids. The school had signed just five McDonald's All-Americans prior to Gottfried's efforts, and none since 1989. All told, Gottfried signed 21 top 100 kids during his 11 years at Alabama.
Using Scout.com's recruiting archives, I looked at seven of his classes (2002-2008). Over that span, he signed three 5-star recruits and 11 4-star recruits (those numbers include the McD A-As mentioned above). According to StatSheet, he brought in eight top-25 recruiting classes while at Alabama.
9. Does he run the Princeton offense?
No. He runs what is called the UCLA High Post Offense, which was developed by John Wooden. Wikipedia offers some info and links:
The UCLA High Post Offense is flexible in its ability to use the strengths of most players on the floor. This man-to-man offense is designed to take full advantage of a center with good passing, shooting and one-on-one skills out of the high post, but it can also take advantage of the post up abilities of either guard and forward. It is commonly run out of the 2-2-1, 4-out/1-in set (also known as a two-guard front), but can also be initiated out of a 1-4 set with a variety of entries. The two-guard front keeps the pressure off a team's playmaker from having the ball in his hands all the time, as well as allowing the offense to be initiated from either side of the floor and giving either guard an opportunity to run the side-post game.
Pack Insider has some good stuff on this subject as well.
While his defensive track record is iffy, his offenses have been excellent: 35th in offensive efficiency in 2003, 16th in 2004, 8th in 2005, 19th in 2006, 31st in 2007, 50th in 2008, 103rd in 2009. That's a better string of success than Herb Sendek had here, and Herb's Princeton outfits were good.
In general, Gottfried's offenses rebounded well and took at least decent care of the ball. They posted effective field goal percentages over 50.0 five straight years from 2003 through 2009. They were never overly reliant on the three-pointer, preferring to take them at about the NCAA average rate. There was one year where 37% of their attempts were from three, but that's an exception and no doubt more about the makeup of that roster than philosophy.
10. Does he have any connection to NC State, North Carolina, or the ACC?
If you count the fact that he has known Debbie Yow for decades, then sure. Aside from that, the answer is no. Gottfried was born in Ohio and went to school at Alabama. His coaching stops have been documented. He's been in the region, and recruited across it, for a long time, but he's had no association with the ACC.
11. Any other random red flags or positives?
He's been out of coaching since he resigned from Alabama in January of 2009. It's not often that college basketball coaches leave in the middle of the season, and there was a little controversy surrounding his departure. Specifically, there were rumors that he had relations with Alabama co-ed and that said relations were part of the reason for his departure. These rumors were never proven.
But this is the lady in question. And this is her sorority.
Summary:
Will he be better than Herb?
I wish I could say yes confidently. If his recruiting goes as well here as it did at Alabama, I think he's a good bet to at least match Herb's peak seasons. If he has learned from his past mistakes and adjusted his approach in beneficial ways, if his coaching staff proves solid, then it's certainly possible for him to exceed the Herb-line.
Would he take the job if offered?
And how!
How do I feel about the hire?
I don't love it, I don't hate it. I had started to panic after reading Yow's letter on Monday, so in a way I'm very happy to have Gottfried. I'd been fearing the worst. Instead we got a coach with a lot of experience at the high-major level, a guy with a solid history of success, and a guy who is still young. I like his recruiting rep. He's better than Sidney Lowe, and he will therefore make the program better.
How does the fan base as a whole feel?
It's a loooong way down from the A-list to the Mark Gottfrieds of the world, and it doesn't even matter if Barnes or Donovan were ever serious candidates. Once those rumors start they infest everything, and expectations naturally begin to soar regardless of what is suggested by reality. That's working against Gottfried. Everyone was disappointed to some extent. But I think a lot of folks are coming around, or at least willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. How long the grace period lasts, I wouldn't dare guess. Tom O'Brien had the benefit of a track record of consistent success that bought him all sorts of time; Gottfried, on the other hand, has a high-profile failure on his resume. If he struggles for 2-3 years, that's not going to help mitigate doubts.
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Should have read that first
Sounds way too serious, and a little like I’m hitting on you.
by PackMentality on Apr 7, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
you like him now
just wait until you see him analyze some stats and give you pre-game scouting reports.
I'm not dissapointed
To me you have your A lister , Miller, Stevens, and Barnes.
We missed on them, so we were going to Smart or Marshall?
Sorry this guy’s resume is better than theres. He’s had more success than Marshall and more experience than Smart. This is a B hire and its hard to prove otherwise. Smart would have be great, but he would have been much riskier. His team got hot from the 3point line, when they went cold they lost. They hadn’t hit threes like that all year. So it will be interesting what they can do next year. I doubt they will make the tourney since their senior point guard and Jamie Skeen will be gone. As far as Marshall he is still unproven on the high major level.
This is the realistic hire, if he gets a good staff watch out. 2012 is the year. with Harrow, Brown, Juniors, and Wood/Painter/Howell seniors, that team must make the NCAAs. If they don’t then it’ll be hard to believe that this coach will be any better than Sendek.
I love the Steelers.
what?!
gottfried has more experience than shaka smart but shaka got to the final four with a mid-major(and that’s putting it kindly) in his 2nd yr of coaching. gottfried has never done that in his whole career. you can’t say he has a better resume. i’m not saying gottfried can’t succeed, it’s definitely possible. for all we know, gottfried could be the better choice than smart or marshall. i actually wanted smart to be the coach but i think gottfried will succeed more than sendek.
Smart vs Gottfried
You don’t think Smart is more risky? Yes, he accomplished something that Gottfried has not, a FF trip. But, sometimes teams just get on a run. I wanted Shaka, but I would say that overall Gottfried has a more complete resume because he has success at multiple locations, while with Smart, there is only his FF run.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 8, 2011 8:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree
Smarts accomplishments, minus the final four run are not impressive. I think there is a big difference between how his VCU teams are concieved to play and how they actually play. For example, they are in no way up-tempo. He may prove to be a very good coach (and the final four accomplishment is impressive and should not be discounted), but he would have been a high risk hire, imo.
sorry no
but you can’t say minus the final four like it didn’t happen or it was a fluke. he’s coached for 2 yrs and made the final four in one of them with VCU. we’re talking about VCU here. you can’t just diminish what he did here. some coaches never make the final four, it’s nothing to sneeze at guys. to be honest, i wanted smart too but he’s a fool for not taking the job or at least squeezing yow for another million/season. mark my words, he’s out of VCU in the next 2 yrs and taking a higher profile job.
which is why
i said it should not be discounted.
by PACKHOOLIGAN on Apr 10, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
I think the opposite happens, he is stuck at VCU. Not that his teams won’t play well. Look at George Mason after they made the FF. These type of runs rarely happen. Look at how they won games, by killing teams with the 3pointers. You really think Smart is going to get another team to average 11 3pts through 5 games again? I could but there is a high risk factor to it.
Of course Shaka can prove me wrong but I wouldn’t be surprised if his team didn’t make the tourney next year.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 11, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
thanks for this, I’ve read some of the other profiles and wonder how you would rate Coach G based on the same parameters. He looks promising… basketball speaking of course.
I love the Steelers.
For me
Here was my ranking about a month ago:
http://www.backingthepack.com/2011/3/13/2047861/everyone-rank-your-favorite-possible-saviors-so-far
I would put Gottfried in tier 1. Behind Brey…probably about even with Marshall, maybe slightlgy ahead. As time has gone on I have soured on Marshall a bit. Complete lack of high major recruiting with Marshall is probably a bigger problem than I acknowledged in my glowing profile.
Also, I would have slid Smart up to Tier 2, about 5th or 6th, after his NCAA run.
by TVP on Apr 8, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I see Gottfried
very much in the same light as I see Brey. Both have high efficiency offenses (although Brey’s are really upper echelon in that area), with middling to poor defenses. It is interesting that they have arrived at similar results in different ways. Gottfried has gotten highly ranked talent while Brey typically does not get top 100 recruits at ND.
It will be interesting to see
how his time away has affected his coaching philosophy.
this is the x-factor
I think he mentioned during the press conference how he had watched and learned new things from coaches around the country while he was with ESPN. If he can incorporate some new stuff successfully, especially at the defensive end, then our ceiling goes up.
Defense!
He’d better hire someone to coach defense, doesn’t look like he’s got the skill.
Reading the blurbs, Early looks primarily like a recruiter. If Moxley is real, it looks like he can recruit, coach the guards and especially coach outside shooting well – which is good.
We need a ‘Larry Hunter’ type to come in and own the defense. He’s got to be someone to teach toughness and ‘defense or die.’
I think this
One part of him that is downplayed by many is that he was an extremely gifted student in school- Honor Society, Cum Laude, ect.) and really studied the game from every angle while he was out of the spotlight. At UCLA he mention that JW’s house was halfway between work and home and he would frequently stop by and just talk for hours about hoops with the legend. It sounded like from most level headed Bama Hoops fans that he just got stuck in his ways and it just wouldn’t turn the trick anymore. For a 30 year old to get his first gig and by age 33 have a Major Confence HC title one could imagine that he took what was working early on and just run it as far as it would take him. I really thought he was being honest when he said in the press conference that he wanted this State team to be true to his philosophies, but he was going to try all these different strategies and ways to produce the best results. Long story short, might not be so brilliant that he once solved a mental problem is his head at Carnegie Mellon that made a piece of steel bend in half, but he is a sharp dude.
by Sportin'L.A.Gear on Apr 7, 2011 4:54 PM EDT reply actions
Great coach...
If he brings more hot blondes in when I fly back for basketball/football games. If its one thing any school could use its more hot blondes. Except UCLA, they have enough.
i may email debbie
I believe a corresponding “Blondes Unlimited” initiative would be a big hit among the fan base.
Even though they have been awesome
hopefully we can moth ball the savior series for a while now. I’m at least cautiously optimistic.
Comparatively speaking
Gottfried is a better hire than almost all of the guys that we profiled in the series during the search (well really, starting before Lowe was fired, but I digress).
He had success at a high major program. Sure, some things went wrong at the end, but I think we can all attest to the fact that going through adversity and even failure makes you learn a lot more than success does.
The defensive numbers scare me a little, but they are still an improvement over what we have seen and hopefully this the area where we see the biggest improvement from when he traveled around the country learning things.
There is risk with the hire, no doubt, but I don’t think it is as much a risk as a Gregg Marshall or even a Cuonzo Martin (grudgingly). He won’t risk being swallowed by the pressure of the job. And this guy is hungry to get back in and succeed. I also think he is a good fit for our school.
Cautious optimism. I feel a lot better about the hire then when it was initially announced.
Nicely done
Looks like you can break down the Gottfried era at Bama into three classes:
First two years of ramp-up
Very good 7 year run – the 5 NCAAs bookended by two NITS; the NITs were “Seth Greenburg” NITs rather than “Herb Sendek” NITs if you know what I mean. They were RPI top 50 both years. That 7 year run is far better than any stretch we’ve had since Jimmy V.
Last year and half, where it got away from him. Why did it – that’s the big question.
Translating Alabama Experience to Raleigh
1. No two year ramp up. The talent is in place (assuming CJL is the only loss). Maybe it takes till Feb to get his message across, but we should have a better season next year than last.
2. Year 3 – We should begin to reap the benefits of the new regime’s recruiting. If they live up to their newpaper clippings recruiting wise, the team should be even more talented and the results continue to curve up. NCAAT.
3. Year 5 – Caught with a cheer leader – Titanic time!!!!
4. Year 6 – Hire Archie
Leslie gone?
Has he decided? The last thing I saw about him was that he was on TV as one of the players saying “we need more discipline,” in reference to what Gottfried needs to bring. I really got the impression that he had decided to stay.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 8, 2011 1:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope Gottfried and his staff
bring a commitment to the offseason that it appears the last staff did not have. The players at NC State have tended to not be as well conditioned or developed (body wise) as players from other major basketball programs.

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