Historical Tempo-Free Stats
Since it's turned into an impromptu history week around here, I figured I might as well stick to the theme. I'd actually been looking for this data for a while and discovered it'd been right there in the media guide all along. Thanks to the numbers contained therein, I was able to calculate tempo-free stats going all the way back to 1987. (Prior that that year there are no records for offensive boards, so I can't calculate possession totals.)
So if you've ever wondered about Jimmy V's offenses--and I'm sure you've wondered about State's effective field goal percentages from the late 1980s almost every day--here you go.
| Offense | OFF_EFF | eFG% | TO% | OR% | FTR | 2FG% | 3FG% | 3FGA/FGA | Tempo |
| 1987 | 105.9 | 51.8 | 20.5 | 35.1 | 36.6 | 49.4 | 41.3 | 18.9 | 72.0 |
| 1988 | 113.9 | 54.5 | 17.3 | 37.3 | 32.0 | 53.3 | 41.0 | 15.1 | 72.6 |
| 1989 | 112.1 | 54.5 | 17.7 | 35.3 | 35.5 | 52.8 | 38.3 | 18.6 | 73.6 |
| 1990 | 111.3 | 51.8 | 17.8 | 37.5 | 31.6 | 48.2 | 43.2 | 21.3 | 73.0 |
| 1991 | 117.1 | 55.1 | 17.0 | 36.5 | 33.1 | 51.8 | 41.5 | 31.5 | 76.3 |
| 1992 | 106.9 | 53.4 | 21.6 | 36.2 | 32.3 | 52.5 | 36.6 | 39.8 | 71.7 |
| 1993 | 99.9 | 48.6 | 21.2 | 37.6 | 26.8 | 48.0 | 33.2 | 32.5 | 68.0 |
| 1994 | 96.8 | 45.9 | 20.5 | 37.0 | 28.4 | 45.3 | 31.5 | 30.4 | 70.8 |
| 1995 | 106.3 | 49.4 | 18.2 | 35.8 | 26.7 | 48.3 | 34.3 | 35.3 | 71.5 |
| 1996 | 108.8 | 51.1 | 18.9 | 36.1 | 30.8 | 49.0 | 36.1 | 40.1 | 73.2 |
(Tempo = possessions per 40 minutes. V years in bold. Les's six seasons follow for comparison purposes.)
Observations:
-- Look at those low 3FGA/FGA ratios during the V years. Both NC State and State's opponents had very low (by today's standards, that is) three-point attempt rates over that span. The line was still pretty new at that point and this seems like evidence of coaches not really knowing what to do with it or how to properly adjust their styles for more optimal use of the line. It wasn't until Les took over that State began to diversify a bit and shoot threes at a rate more typical of today's game. (Last season only one I-A school shot threes less than 20% of the time.)
-- V liked to get up and down, and so did Les. By today's standards, all of those teams were up-tempo. I wonder if maybe college basketball was faster in general back then, though. Unfortunately I can't put those pace numbers into proper context.
-- The Fire and Ice era began in 1988 and ran through 1991, and it's pretty easy to tell when Corchiani took over the point, isn't it? Prior to Corch's first year, State turned the ball over 20.5 percent of the time--not bad, not good. Over the next four seasons, the Pack never turned it over more than 17.8% of the time. The year following Corchiani's graduation saw State's TO% soar well over 20%, where it would stay for several years.
-- They didn't get to the line very often, but Corchiani held down the turnover rate, they rebounded well, and of course there was Rodney Monroe to provide efficient scoring. So it's no surprise that those offenses were outstanding--especially that 1991 team. Corchiani and Monroe both shot better than 40% from three for their careers, and they were solid inside the arc as well. Corchiani made at least 50% of his twos in three of four seasons, which is pretty damn good for a short guy. Fire and Ice finished their careers with effective field goal percentages of 52.8 and 54.0, respectively.
The '91 team also had Kevin Thompson inside; he made 60.5% of his twos that year. And there was Googs, who made 60% of his twos and 40% of his threes. Tough group. Shame they didn't play any defense. (More on the D some other time.)
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Awesome stuff.
Though I’m surprised the 3FGA/FGA numbers weren’t higher during the Fire-and-Ice years. Rodney didn’t break DT’s scoring record by shooting twos exclusively—he was the definition of a three-point specialist (or at least that’s how I’ve always thought of him).
Perhaps he (and Corch to a lesser degree) was simply the ONLY one taking shots from behind the arc?
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by RiddickAndReynolds on Jul 14, 2011 2:36 PM EDT reply actions
38% of Monroe's FGAs were threes
A big chunk certainly, but not enough to qualify him as a specialist.
Perhaps he (and Corch to a lesser degree) was simply the ONLY one taking shots from behind the arc?
That’s it as far as I can tell. In Monroe’s first three years he appears to be the only guy who took more than 100 threes.
You can page through the years here:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/NCST/1990.html
Since the web address uses "NCST"
…I refuse to read it.
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by RiddickAndReynolds on Jul 14, 2011 3:19 PM EDT reply actions
Nice work
I’m glad I was not a state fan in 1994.
Started at the same time as Fire & Ice
Thanks for the reminder of how much fun ‘91 was. I’ll skip past that when you do the defense.
Also, could you do splits for the ‘92 season – just the UNC games, and then the rest of the season? As far as I’m concerned, we were 2-0 in Gugs’ senior year, and I saw both from the front row. (Thanks to Technician for the road trip! And to to Hole trombone player who kept emptying his spit valve on my notes.)
Don't know if basketball was faster back in the 80's
But it was a whole lot more fun to watch. Teams had players that played together for years and knew how to set up plays and get the right guy the ball to score unlike today where its a bunch of nameless individuals.
So despite the fact that I showed up on campus in 1989, as the shit hit the fan...
… I did have the pleasure of having FUN basketball to watch for my first three years on campus. I’m still pissed that the scorer’s hand-written scoresheet from Corchiani’s 20-assist outburst… which I snatched off the scorer’s table & took home with me…. disappeared shortly thereafter. I’m blaming it on the giant wall of beer cans that we stacked, filling our suitemates’ entire door frame, so all hell broke loose when they opened their door the next morning.
And then there was Rodney’s 31-point 2nd-half outburst, for a 48-point total vs Ga Tech…
And Gugs’s 37 he hung on unc-ch on 8-of-14 3-point shooting…
And the bat-shit-crazy front-end of the doubleheader against unc-ch in 1991. (When I was proudly wearing a “Saddam Hussein went to Carolina” bumper sticker on my head.)
Little did I know that, 20 years later, Steven would demonstrate statistically WHY it was so much fucking fun…
Do you have a day job?
Man, you are good. Insightful and thorough analysis. Painful as it is for a 1989 grad.
No wonder I loved college
From 88-91, our worst OffEff would’ve ranked in the top 50 of last year’s stats. (And that significantly understates it – the kenpom rankings are adjusted OffEff, and I know our strength-of-schedule was way above average those years.) Only two teams – Ohio St. and St.Mary’s – had a effFG% above 55 and TO rate below 18, which we did in 1991. Lower the effFG to 54.5% and still only four teams manage it, and we did it three times in four years.
This probably explains why, even after the last 15 years, I still find it statistically unbelievable when we can go 12 minutes with only one FG. In college I learned a lot of things about 3-phase power I don’t remember; and also that when you have the basketball, you should actually score more often than not.
I was front row North end zone for the 48-point game. It was also the one where Rodney went over 2000 for his career, he went in needing something close to 20 and had been over 20 every game that season, so the the group I was with brought posters with “2” “0” “0” and “0” hoping to get on TV when he made it. I remember being really impressed that he had 17 in the first half, not knowing he hadn’t even gotten going yet.
Damn, didn't realize how many of you guys were old.
(trolling)
by TVP on Jul 15, 2011 6:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

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