Wake Forest 34, NC State 27
by Akula Wolf on Sep 12, 2011 12:45 AM EDT
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PrintI had a wedding to attend Saturday afternoon and because of that I only caught the first and last five minutes. Not such a bad deal, as it turned out. From now on I'm going to try to schedule a wedding for every road game at Wake Forest. That way nothing will get broken since I won't have the chance to watch another limp defensive effort beaten by the same old Jim Grobe sleight of hand.
I didn't feel great about State's defensive performance against Liberty, but I was willing to wait and see how those guys fared in week two before starting to worry. I'm not sure what the difference is right now--maybe someone who saw the game can help here--but for whatever reason they haven't picked up where they left off in 2010. Is it the injuries up front? Is Audie Cole struggling to adjust to his new position? Why the hell were we fooled by Wake Forest trickery as old as this Winston-Salem losing streak? Maybe I'll go take a look at this game later in the week. Don't really have the stomach for it right now.
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There's not one single thing to point to
Our scheme is too soft… we don’t bring blitzing pressure, and we give 10-yard cushions – same old shit.
Our down lineman are unable to get any pressure without a blitz. And when they get to the QB, they miss the first tackle every single time.
Our linebackers are OK, but are basically non-factors.
Our DB’s are simply getting abused… it seems impossible to routinely get beaten deep while giving said 10-yard cushions, but we do. Oh yeah, and we can’t cover a 15-yard out, either.
I’m really not sure WTF the defensive strategy is SUPPOSED to be… whatever it is, it is not working as designed.
This
Our “scheme” will not work without consistent pressure on the QB. Our front 4 right now are terrible at pressuring the QB. You would think playing this terrible zone would at least make us fairly immune to the reverse, right?
Our DBs seem completely oblivious to down/yardage. They always allow the receiver plenty of cushion on 3rd down.
by PACKHOOLIGAN on Sep 12, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
and that
is a huge problem. Not that they are doing what they are told to do, but that what they are told to do leads to failure.
by PACKHOOLIGAN on Sep 12, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Got to ask?
What do you mean by blitzing pressure? Our front 4 did as much as could be expected in this game being down 3-4 starters. Our LBs did awful. We brought a LB on about every play and that is why there were so many crossing routes and dump pass wide open that went for 10+ yards every time. They used our AGGRESSIVENESS agaisnt us to perfection in this game and Archer/Tenuta never adjusted.
Yep
WFU was absolutely ready for what we were bringing on D.
by the time the D adjusted, we were down 20-6, soon to be 27-6 after a TD off an INT.
Back 7 has been playing Archer/Reed’s coverage scheme for 5 years now and still cannot execute it (seems like last week was a mirage in that regard).
Nate Irving is to the Defense as RDub was to the offense last year. They both mask all the flaws of a poorly coached team. TOB got caught with his pants down and then blamed the players for not having the energy. Someone needs to call up Debbie and make sure ‘having your players ready to play against ’weaker’ teams’ in the job description for the next search
Nate is gone, right?
Please excuse my ignorance; I follow you guys at a distance but I was going to “contribute” that Nate Irving was a phenomenal LB (from my perspective) and suggest that maybe his absence might have left a bigger void than expected. But “Nate Irving is…” sounds like he’s still on the team. If so, I have no earthly idea what happened to you guys against Wake. Watched part of the game and it was several shades of ugly IMO from the NCSU point of view. I was very surprised.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
You are correct that
Nate is gone (broncos?), and we suddenly look like the 2009 defense when Nate was out due to the car accident.
by PACKHOOLIGAN on Sep 13, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
Not really sure to begin. Coaching, yea have to start with the coaches, you got beat by the same thing you do every year at Wake Forest. There that part is done. Not sure about Dana Bible and Mike Archer is obviously over-matched.
Second, offense. Yea that was some terrible play in the 1st Half, yet again. Glennon played well, I can’t blame him when the receivers can’t catch a ball. Receiver route running (no effort) and catching (WTF???) is our plague. Oline played well. Running backs, still leaving something to be desired, but did better in pass blocking. Still want a RB screen pass.
Lastly, defense. Yea you got schooled, each and every down. I can’t blame it on the front 4 (who, FYI, are down, what, 4 players right now?). I can blame it on terrible discipline between the LBs and DBs. I expected better out of Earl Wolff and Audie Cole in this game and you just didn’t show up to play. Terrell Manning was about the only one with any play in him.
good breakdown above, so I'm going off on a tangent
I’m really tired of the TOB canned response where its always the players fault. We need more leadership out there, they showed more effort, they executed better, et al. That works fine in the NFL, where the players make more than the coaches by a big margin, but not in college.
Coach, if your players suck, go get better players.
The fact that we came into this game and got completely fooled repeatedly by end arounds and misdirections is inexcusable.
TOB
is actually quoted as saying that the responsibility starts with the coaches first…
“Well certainly not a good effort on our part and we have nobody to blame but ourselves. We have to get it straightened out — that’s we — coaches first, players, that’s everybody on this football team. Too many big plays, never gave ourselves a chance to win”
http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/2/1104963.html
that dude knows that his job will receive extra scrutiny this season if we were to miss a bowl game…and that Debbie would not shy away from “asking” him to retire or resign like she’s done with numerous coaches lately…
by JEOHankins2 on Sep 12, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
this staff cannot get it done
Went 9-4 last year with a transcendent QB and unsustainably good luck in the fumble-forcing and injury departments. Don’t expect that to happen again, even with a soft schedule this year.
We do not have an athletic/talent advantage over Wake except perhaps our OL v. their front 7, an advantage that was negated after we found ourselves in a 2-TD hole and had to abandon the run. 5 years in, that is a damning indictment.
Bottom line is that this staff is unwilling or unable to recruit the kind of talent needed to be anything more than a lower-level bowl team on a consistent basis (and in particular, to cover for the staff’s gameday coaching shortcomings, which are all too apparent by now).
Bottom line is that this staff is unwilling or unable to recruit the kind of talent needed to be anything more than a lower-level bowl team on a consistent basis (and in particular, to cover for the staff’s gameday coaching shortcomings, which are all too apparent by now).
Yep. Recruiting continues to be a huge disappointment, and I don’t think it’s going to change much no matter what happens to Carolina. This staff just doesn’t have enough salesmen on it. (Or bagmen.)
part of the problem there
is that TOB’s contract only runs through dec 2013 (google tom o’brien contract). If you presume that we would not go into a season with a contract-less coach going into a bowl game, then in effect the deal is up at the end of next season.
If TOB did not plan on retiring, why would he not want the deal extended so that you have (for all intents) a rolling 5 year deal in place? While I doubt your average 18 year old high school kid is reading the guy’s contact online, I am sure that other schools are using it as a negative recruiting tactic. I can just envision Butch selling kids on how the guy at state is retiring in 2 yrs, and how he plans on being around forever, and your average high school kid will likely buy that.
by ginger avenger on Sep 12, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I picked Butch for comedy's sake
but you get the idea. I’m sure the “that guy is gonna retire, but I’ll be here your entire college career” card gets played every time. Could be part of why our recruiting has been so mediocre.
by ginger avenger on Sep 12, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I also agree about recruiting. This especially shows up when you have a few injuries. We do not have elite talent, so we have to rely on 4th and 5th year players, and well, you can’t have 40 of those at one time, so we struggle when someone gets hurt.
I still thought we could win 8 games this year, but now its probably only going to be 6, which means no bowl for us, because we only get to count one of the two 1-AA games. USA, BC, and CM are the only wins I’m convinced we can still get. I’m not sure where we get three more wins from Maryland, Clemson, FSU, UNC, Virginia, GT, and Cincy.
We did pick up where we left off....mostly
We were terrible in the Maryland game, but better against a lame duck coached WV team. The Maryland defense is the same defense that has shown up the first two games of this year. Nate Irving made our defense go. When teams stopped him, our defense was very average. Our secondary has not been good since O’Brien has been at State. We have given up mass amounts of passing yardage to some average QB’s over the years. It is just masked sometimes by a good pass rush. Which we are not getting right now due to injuries and lack of quality depth/talent.
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