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Eight Years Of Futility

This is one of those things I knew but had to see in print for it to really hit home. It's been ten years since NC State last won a football game in Winston-Salem:

George Bryan, a senior tight end, said that all of the N.C. State players are aware of the losing streak and also that Wake Forest has won four of the last five games between the programs.

"We were told that, yes," Bryan said. "We feel like that needs to change. We haven't won there in 10 years, and that's a long time to not win at a place."

It's a very long time to not win at a place, especially when that place is not much of an advantage in terms of atmosphere. There's an intangible horror to Jim Grobe teams that's come into stark relief over the last decade. I attended two of the games in Winston-Salem and can verify that the horror is real. Last year put a big dent in the mystique, but Wake's performance against Syracuse points to a team that's back on the track toward competitiveness. Which is much more encouraging than it reads considering what happened to this team in 2010.

I went in 2003 because it seemed like a good opportunity to watch the team warm up for Ohio State the week following, because that was going to be the big year. About the only thing I remember is that I had a great view of the destruction from a dozen or so rows behind the NC State bench, and that the leg room was lacking. That was the year we went without an official defensive coordinator, if I recall correctly, but whatever the case was, we never looked like we had a defensive coordinator at any point in 2003. In 2007 I went and we had a defensive coordinator and it was cold.

Some fun facts from this losing streak:

NC State outgained Wake Forest by significant margins in both 2003 and 2005 and kept it close (within 15 total yards) in 2007 and 2009. All together, State gained 1536 yards to Wake's 1344, a (decisive) difference of 0.6 yards per play. And Wake outscored the Pack 133-85. That's so Grobe.

State may have been better down-to-down, but from an efficiency/coaching standpoint, it wasn't close:

Penalties / Yards:
State: 33   /   295
Wake: 24   /   235

Turnovers / Margin:
State: 12 (10 INT, 2 FUM)   /   -6
Wake: 6 (2 INT, 4 FUM)   /   +6

Defense/Special Teams TDs:
State: 0*
Wake: 4

(* -- Mario Williams forced a safety in 2005, so we did get a couple points from the defense.)

It's not the talent, it's the execution, and that's an easier fix than the flip side. So there is that. As Russell Wilson might say, a hundred yards is a hundred yards. There's no reason why it can't be different this time around.

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only because its the next one on the list

despite my thick layer of cynicism, I’m going to be depressed if we don’t have bigger ones down the line this yr.

Despite the performance vs Syracuse, I still think Wake will be a bottom feeder again this year and should be thankful that Duke and BC are there for company.

by ginger avenger on Sep 7, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

2003

was the most depressing NC State football loss I have witnessed.

by PACKHOOLIGAN on Sep 7, 2011 8:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I was there too

I had planned on going to every game that year home and away since this was our breakout year to finally win the ACC. Depressing game and horrible stadium.

by ginger avenger on Sep 7, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't at the game

but I was watching it with a friend who went to wake, and man did he rub it in.

by PACKHOOLIGAN on Sep 7, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Davis/Stone game was the worst

Where me and several friends entertained the wake group around us with our full on hatred for Davis. That was, until Marcus Stone came in and promptly through a pick.

God those were some terrible QB years.

by DashSpartan on Sep 7, 2011 8:53 AM EDT reply actions  

State as split the last 4 games right? They won last year, at home, and then one in Russell’s first year at home…could be wrong though

by packcanesteel on Sep 7, 2011 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes

we typically beat them in Raleigh. Even when Evans was QB and we got completely outplayed.

by PACKHOOLIGAN on Sep 7, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

For me we have to win this game

if we don’t, its going to be a long season

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Sep 7, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

2009

2009 isn’t mentioned as often as the others and I was at that game as well. My biggest regret is I dressed like a complete fool (white top hat, black suit jacket, huge BEAT WAKE on my shirt) thinking “its just Wake…we’ve got Russell Wilson.” I found out very quickly how wrong I was as he throw uncharacteristic pick after uncharacteristic pick for that time…the one during our comeback where our receiver just stopped running his route kills me to this day to watch…what a horrible season…

I was so scarred from that game when I had an offer to go again for cheap I promptly refused to go…

by JEOHankins2 on Sep 7, 2011 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

that sounds like an awesome outfit

But definitely one of those things that comes back to bite you in the event of a loss.

by Akula Wolf on Sep 7, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Make or Break Game???

Based on how we played against Liberty (based on what I read, did not attend) we’d better see a significant upgrade in performance if we are to expect much success this year. I really expected the O-line to be good this year – does not sound like they are there yet. And of course, a brand new QB with a sketchy receiver corps and a mediocre running game is not a recipe for offensive success, especially if he’s playing scared due to sacks.

I keep hoping that TOB is going to put together a team with quality across the board, rather than our having to hope our QB can pull us out of the fire week after week.

BUT, BUT, BUTT … TOB teams do seem to improve as the seasons progress, so maybe there is reason for some optimism. And Glennon will improve with game experience, no question about that. It remains to be seen how high (low?) his ceiling is. Fingers, toes and eyes crossed!

by Wolphpack on Sep 7, 2011 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Glennon's learning curve should be sharper than most

As a new starter with as much talent as he has, he could get better in a hurry. That’s what I keep telling myself, anyway.

by Akula Wolf on Sep 7, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still...

Not worried about our O-line or RB. As I’ve said on repeated occasions, The line did ok for the first game, the sacks/QBH were mostly due to edge rushes, corner blitzes the RB did not properly pick up. TOB seems to have Bible pointed back towards running the ball, because we did way too much passing in the first half of Liberty. If we run the ball, and Bible finds a screen play in our playbook, I think our offense will look better.

by chip24spb on Sep 7, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry...

not worried about our O-line or QB. As for RBs, wish Moose was back.

by chip24spb on Sep 7, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

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