NC State Falls To 1-1 In ACC Play With 82-71 Loss To Georgia Tech (Updated With Stats)
by Akula Wolf on Jan 12, 2012 12:10 AM EST
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Print| Four Factors | NCSU | GT |
| eFG% | 47.3 | 60.2 |
| Turnover Rate | 17.3 |
20.2 |
| Off Reb Rate | 30.6 | 33.3 |
| FT Rate | 48.2 | 63.3 |
| Pts | Poss | OFF_EFF | DEF_EFF | |
| GT |
82 | 69.3 | 118.4 | 102.5 |
| NCSU | 71 | 69.3 | 102.5 | 118.4 |
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------- Thursday update -------
It's kind of astounding how things came together for Georgia Tech last night. The 9-15 three-point shooting aside (they're 245th in the country in 3FG% even after last night), they are also ranked 243rd in free throw rate and 245th in free throw percentage. But last night they got to the line 31 times where they hit 74%, well above their season average of 66%.
And you guys mentioned it in the comments--State defenders did a good job contesting shots on a number of occasions and the Jackets just stepped up and hit them. Nothing to do about that but shrug.
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Well, can't say I thought I'd be typing that headline, but so it goes. Georgia Tech started started hot and hit some tough shots to stay competitive early, and then when the Wolfpack went cold and careless and panicked, the Jackets were right there to take advantage with a big run.
That chain of events isn't overly surprising because we've seen it happen earlier in the season. I'm disappointed with the way this team responds to adversity most of the time, but I also realize that--frustrating though it may be to acknowledge--they have a lot of catching up to do in virtually every aspect.
It'd be nice if we could force more turnovers and not rely so heavily on the whims of shooting percentage, but that's going to continue to be a weakness from here on. How much it hurts, we'll see. In an abstract sense, it hurt plenty over the last five years, but it never mattered. Now the pain is compounded, which is good. That's progress.
What happens over the next two games should say a lot.
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Should’ve won the game. Refs didn’t help. Ga tech just played like a house on fire. As much as they suck this is still the ACC. on to the next one.
by Rvdbbw on Jan 12, 2012 12:49 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Tempered optimism
There’s no way we were making it through ACC play without at least one bad game. Calvin got too many fouls too early and we got some tough breaks. This game, along with the others against decent competition, show that we have some ground to cover before our program is on solid ground. Hopefully the team learns from this executes better in the future.
Now let’s beat the #&@ outta WF.
Well, with Sidney it was about 90
And he got about $5 million for it. AFAIK Steven does this for free, so who knows how long before they get around to dealing with things.
Every team preview should read like this:
“(upcoming opponent) is awesome at everything. It is very unlikely that we will see them miss a shot from behind the arc, except in the unlikely event that the Son of God should return mid-shot. Even that would not be a guarantee.”
by PackMentality on Jan 12, 2012 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
Big-time #ncstateshit kind of night
When Rice’s bank three went in, it was Ballgame #1.
When his three crotched between the rim, then went in anyway, it was Ballgame #2.
When Calvin picked up truly horseshit foul #3, it was Ballgame #3.
Rice climbed WAY up my list of assholes last night. How the hell does Howell get a double-tech when Rice is the one sticking his mug in the middle of our huddle? And given the focus on offensive players not clearing space with their elbows by swinging the ball over/around their head, Rice should’ve picked up a foul every time he got the ball – that’s one elbow-swinging motherfucker.
And yes – I came away pretty damn frustrated with the officiating, despite the fact that it’d be easy to say they didn’t cost us the game. Cost? No. Influence heavily? Yes. No way Wood or Calvin would EVER get away with the elbow-swinging bullshit, and we’ve actually been called for it already this year. And Calvin’s BS fouls #3 and 4 are what basically put the game out of reach.
Pre-game fears were realized… Tech’s weakness is turning it over, and we did nothing to force turnovers. But we DID play better defense than their shooting percentages (particularly from 3-land) would reflect… and our free throw defense was again abysmal…. yep… that damn luck factor was WAY on the other side last night.
Couple that with a terrible night by Wood… a terrible first half by Howell… and terrible decisions by Brown most of the night… and you get an ass-whipping at home to a lower-tier team. Awesome.
NCAA’s? Not that team…
I'd actually be fascinated to see...
… how many Tech points came on possessions where at some point, I said “Bullshit”… whether it’s a bullshit 3, or a bullshit bounce, or a bullshit call… I’d wager it’s north of 20 points.
Just sayin’…
by wolfonthehill on Jan 12, 2012 6:25 AM EST up reply actions
Actually Ballgame #1 could've been Leslie's 2nd foul
It put him on the bench with 5 to go in the first half… over the next 5, we lost a lead & went into the half in a funk. We never really recovered. And given the mauling he took in the first half at the offensive end with no call, the foul on him screamed of “call it both ways ref!”.
by wolfonthehill on Jan 12, 2012 6:28 AM EST up reply actions
In hindsight, I bet Gott wishes he had not planted Calvin on the bench for the rest of the half.
We needed him back in there to stem the bleeding.
Agreed. Between the recurring cramps early on and foul trouble,
it’s become obvious that going without him for extended periods of time poses a huge risk of the game getting out of reach. It’s a quandary, especially with the inevitable NC State shit officiating we are guaranteed to be subjected to.
by non_sequitur on Jan 12, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
+1
No really. I went to sleep pissed off thinking the exact same things you said. EVERYTHING!
I mean Gott came out of his suit at the refs for their bs and got a tech while the GT coach was playing defense and half way to the center court block S. I seriously hope that Gott now knows and tells his team that the refs will give you nothing but you’re NC State.
Oh and i’m also calling conspiracy theory because of how everyone is talking about how bad the ACC is. Get the lower teams to beat the up and comers and the giants and we present a “balanced league” and get more teams in to the post-season…or a post season.
That was a shitty game
the offense was bad, the defense was bad, the officiating was bad, GT raining 3’s was bad, everything was bad.
I struggle to understand how Brown can be so lousy at defense. He is not the only poor defender on the team, but with all his physical attributes and basketball IQ, it seems like he should at least be a reliable defender, and good defense on the other team’s point goes a long way in helping out the team defense as a whole. It could be that Gott is so scared of Brown getting into foul trouble that he wants him to be less aggressive on defense.
This is also the type of game where having absolutely nobody who can provide a spark off the bench really shows up. We pretty much have to live and die with the starters, and they can’t be expected to be on for every game.
I have said it before, and I will say it again: until the team defense improves, this team has a limited ceiling.
Also, thank you NC State for getting everyone’s expectations back into reality.
I find a lot of good in that awful game
GT was on fire and they were making everything. Have to give them credit for what they did and I still can’t believe it, but they won. On the same side, I thought our defense was really damn good. We were in their face, we were pressuring the ball, it just wasn’t our night, plain and simple. Great defense and nothing going down, it sucks, but it happens.
The officiating grew pathetic in the second half. No over the back calls, but a fucking 3 second call. The techs I’ve all ready harped on and Jamie, you are dead to me you little rat bastard. This was the point of all frustration, nothing went right, everything that could go against us did. Hopefully, its the only game like that all season.
Steven, did you see the 3-pt shooting, I think I nailed it.
I don't really agree regarding the defense
I think the effort is mostly there, which is a big step up, but I think our off the ball defense continues to be a real problem, with guys losing their man, or not knowing when to help. I also think the majority of the State players are just not good on the ball defenders either. Too many guys get taken 1-on-1 too often.
by PACKHOOLIGAN on Jan 12, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
i cannot see a win at Wake. i watched Wake play Maryland, and
their win over VaTech was not luck. as Wolf wrote-no NCAA’s especially after a loss at Wake.
when Calvin bricked his first two foul shots-i mean-really bricked them, i knew the team was not into the game. they played hard, but their basketball minds were elsewhere.
many of us felt that State would feast on the bottom feeders of the conference this year failing to realize that as a 5 year bottom feeder, the best we could expect was a split in games played against the other bottom feeders.
here is an interesting note followers of the women’s team would note. the women’s team for GaTech came to Raleigh shooting just over 20% on their threes, but like the men was on fire during the game against State shooting i think 50%. Go figure!
God State fans...
we meltdown so beautifully it is like a lost art…
so we go from seeing 11 wins down to 8…due to one game in which the Perfect Storm took place…!?!?! Calm down…
GT played their best game of the year against real competition and ALL the factors that made them a “bad” team they succeeded in…FT shooting, 3pt Shooting…my Lord some of the baskets they made were perfectly contested…two 3s Rice made were ridiculous…Udofia made at least 2 with a hand directly in his face…a dude who wasn’t even on the scouting report made a big one in the first half…come on now…if you look at Gregory’s face the whole game he is struggling not to crack a smile because he cannot believe what is happening himself…
for State, CJL looked like he was on the way to a MONSTER game and of course gets into foul trouble…Wood shoots worse than he’s shot all season…Brown had more turnovers than he’s had…Gott gets a tech etc…all this on top of a kickball being called during the scrum for a loose ball and a referee who refuses to talk to a coach about a call…
Perfect Storm…
I'm agreeing
It was a disappointing loss, no doubt. But absolutely no reason to go into meltdown mode. “All is well.” No one expects us to make the NCAA’s, but I truly think we can. This stuff happens in a season, especially one in which we have little depth.
Come back off the ledge and just let the season play out. We are a better team than we have been in 5 or 6 years, and that is a huge first step. We aren’t going to be fighting for top 3 in the league over night.
I'm with you
We’re better than that game showed, they are worse than that game showed. ACC league play will always be competitive, with very few exceptions.
if you look at Gregory’s face the whole game he is struggling not to crack a smile because he cannot believe what is happening himself
Definitely.
by PackMentality on Jan 12, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't call it a meltdown
I think people, myself included, like to rage a little bit after a loss. It is cathartic.
by PACKHOOLIGAN on Jan 12, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
i agree
We tend to stay on the right side of the line around here. A true meltdown requires more ALL CAPS swearing, excessive punctuation, and poor grammar.
I never saw 11 wins
9 was my ceiling… and 9 makes the NIT.
I’m still in a 7 to 9 win range… but that’s not an NCAA team.
Nothing changed or melted down for me… this has been our inevitable reality. But I don’t have to like it.
by wolfonthehill on Jan 12, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Can anyone explain what are offense was doing?
It would have been nice to see a ball screen, an off ball screen, or just something outside of a basic 5 man spread. I’m not asking for Gottfried (in fact I’m begging him not to) to whistle, stop everyone in their tracks and call out a half court play, but it seems he made no changes at all during the game. Gottfried really let me down last night and I’m hoping it was just an off night, or maybe Ayers was just crawling around in his head (what a punk of a ref), but I felt as though he was responsible for the loss more than the players.
Did not capitalize early
About 15 min. into the game, I texted leewolf that it felt like we should be up 10-15, but we were only up 2. Early on it seemed as if GT was lethargic and we were dominating play, but somehow it had not translated into a big lead.
Just a very weird, frustrating game all around. Burn the tape and move on.
I had the exact same thought in 1H
and made that comment in the game thread.
Between missed opportunities, an insane shooting performance from GT, and some impactful ticky-tack calls I really think that one could have gone the other way. We’d win 8 out of 10 against that team.
by ginger avenger on Jan 12, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with everything everyone says
A couple of positives:
-didn’t CJL have his most complete team-player game? Don’t recall any glaring CJisms and did we not see at least two perfect kickouts for wide open threes (forget the fact we missed the shots). His end of game play finally sold me on this ’hole Calvin thing.
-Loved the middle finger Gregory gave the fans at the end of the game by emphatically upgrading his 30 sec timeout to a full when the fans booed his timeout. It is exactly what I would have done and is expected from our hated foes. The league was starting to run out of coaches you could really hate. He has made the list.
Agree on Leslie
I’m one of his biggest critics… but he played a great team game last night, getting his shots within the offense and kicking it out when it wasn’t there. I loved his feeds out to the perimeter, and I love that Wood returned the favor later by dumping it down low instead of jacking up a 3. Good signs indeed…
by wolfonthehill on Jan 12, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
He actually showed some competent back to the basket moves.
by PACKHOOLIGAN on Jan 13, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
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