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BTP Group Chat aka Crap Multiplied Edition

Yup, we’re still doing this!

North Carolina State v Wake Forest Photo by Jacob Kupferman/Getty Images

(Editor’s Note: this conversation was held the day BEFORE the Georgia Tech game)

(Also Note: it’s funny to think this site would have actual editors)

PirateWolf: All sugared up on leftover Halloween candy!

TheRealEssad: I’m ready to roll. I’ve got a pile of my kids Halloween candy and a bowl of ice cream cake

PirateWolf: Glad to see we’re on the same page


TheRealEssad: Nice

Back by unpopular demand, the segment nobody asked for but will begrudgingly accept

Okay, so we gave up a million yards rushing against BC, and a half million passing yards against Wake

At what point is “youth” not a valid excuse for a poor defense?

JEOHankins2: I think they are one in the same...youth, health and regular coaching deficiencies

It’s all that soup, all together

PirateWolf: So I take it we have to talk about football since Omega already used the “on to basketball” copout?

JEOHankins2: hahahaha

TheRealEssad: Haha, that’s honestly my one football question. I have nothing else to say at this point

PirateWolf: I don’t think the defensive woes recently are all on bad coaching, but they’re also not all on youth... and they’re not all on the offense’s ability to not score points and sustain drives

It’s just a perfect combination right now... crap multiplied

JEOHankins2: a perfect storm

TheRealEssad: “crap multiplied”, get your tickets now!

PirateWolf: hahaha

JEOHankins2: There are a ton of pieces on defense that individually had good games...we played the run well against Wake

PirateWolf: NC State’s marketing department have an opening? Can’t imagine they wouldn’t hire me

TheRealEssad: I personally have never been on the “must fire Hux” bandwagon, but I don’t know anymore. When is the breaking point?

The defense showed signs of life just a few weeks ago

JEOHankins2: Whether we like it or not Hux has a built in excuse, excuses this season

If we were going to dump him, it should’ve been after last year

PirateWolf: Well, here’s the deal for the folks that want firings

We’re not going to see both a new OC and DC next year

Or if we do, then we know Doeren’s on the way out the following year

JEOHankins2: Agreed...

TheRealEssad: Yup

PirateWolf: Only coaches firmly on the chopping block make that “hire all new coordinators” move

JEOHankins2: haha look at Willie

PirateWolf: So I guess the question is: would you rather live with Hux as your DC for another year? Or live with the co-OCs for another year? You’ll probably get a change with one, but not both

Did you just ask me to look at a willie?

JEOHankins2: hahahaha!

I’d live with Hux (and Gibson) over the double OCs

TheRealEssad: Same

PirateWolf: Same here

TheRealEssad: Needs = TD’s more than anything

PirateWolf: A better O makes the D better

A better D is still losing games 31-10

JEOHankins2: yep!

TheRealEssad: Steven is right that we need takeaways on defense, but offense needs to be more consistent

Man... It’s getting hard to remember the last turnover we forced...


TheRealEssad: Haha, need the desk pop

PirateWolf: September ‘08

TheRealEssad: Classic

JEOHankins2: To me it goes back to having watched this offensive staff bumble the QB situation, fail to scheme an effective running game even with a young OL...the defense has at least shown somewhat of a pulse against P5 combo...before losing all its corners

PirateWolf: But, yeah. I also wonder why we play with such tight splits along the OL

I understand that we’re playing down a bunch of lineman, but bringing everyone in closer to the center of the O just seems like a recipe for disaster

TheRealEssad: Yeah

JEOHankins2: It’s been said to death...but with a player like Houston...why aren’t we running out of 3-4 wide?

As we have seen...he needs one good block in space...kid will get you 10-15 yards maybe more

TheRealEssad: There just isn’t much creativity going on

He seems like an heir to the JaySam role

But like the Steelers, can’t get the right touches

PirateWolf: Yep

Goes back to the lack of creativity on offense

JEOHankins2: What sucks is our creative-adjacent plays were just awkwardly executed...a flea flicker where Wake doesn’t bite, another that goes too quickly to fool the defense and the one wildcat that got Bam hurt

Other than that its, as y’all have said, simple formations, play calling

TheRealEssad: Okay, I’m done with football for now

On to basketball (Edit: again, this was before the GT game)

Serious question:

Just how hard does Kevin Keatts run his practices that multiple guys are hurt before the season even starts??

He said today that the team will not be at 100% for tomorrow’s opener

Markell was seen in a walking boot

I heard a rumor he rolled it on Devon Daniels foot

I assume he’ll still play though

It may have been precautionary

Long story short, I’m not getting good vibes for an ACC season opener

JEOHankins2: I think we lose tomorrow...another perfect storm (Edit: on point with the prediction in hindsight)

But to be fair to Keatts there’s no evidence his practice has produced injuries at a high rate

PirateWolf: Kevin Keatts: HUUUUUUGE WWE fan

JEOHankins2: Hahaha you say that as WWE Raw is on in the background behind me

TheRealEssad: Haha. Yeah I’m being facetious

JEOHankins2: Hahaha I thought you were

TheRealEssad: It would stink to have the one guy we need to stay healthy not be healthy

PirateWolf: I’m watching “Best of Kenny Powers” videos now

... Football got me down, man

JEOHankins2: Yeah we need Markell more than anyone all year...but he has not played a full season since his first year?

PirateWolf: In Markell we trust

Dude is going to destroy teams this year

Oh, but let me answer your question

No, I don’t believe he has

TheRealEssad: He has not, combo of injuries or legal issues

JEOHankins2: Theoretically we should’ve had the depth this year to withstand Markell missing a couple games...Bev, Harris, Seabron...with CJ in a we are potentially down to just Bev tomorrow and CJ playing out of position

TheRealEssad: Yeah, no update on Seabron that I saw

JEOHankins2: Yeah for sure...and every time we’ve lost Markell the team hasn’t had enough talent back there to withstand it

TheRealEssad: That being said, the BPI loves us

17th, with a 99% chance for a NCAA bid

So, you’re telling me there’s still a chance we don’t make it

JEOHankins2: Thanks BPI!

So boy...a game that set up to be a fun time to watch a full Keatts team in play...already looks like an omen on the season if it goes sideways

TheRealEssad: Happy thoughts!

UNC was only at 98%, just saying

JEOHankins2: Hahaha losers!

TheRealEssad: So, in summary:

I’m pretty sure the football season is over, I don’t think they have any games left so we can just pay attention to basketball

And basketball is surely not going to let us down in any way

JEOHankins2: Watch us hang with Clemson for 2 1/2 quarters and we’ll be right back here like Michael Corleone

PirateWolf: hahaha

TheRealEssad: Maybe 1/4 of the 1st quarter

PirateWolf: It’ll be where we score first... and then just get beat down from there

TheRealEssad: I’m just happy basketball is back. Keatts is like an old friend that comes around once a year and you’re just glad to have him around

JEOHankins2: Tell that to the internet if we lose to GT no matter the circumstances (Edit: another great prediction, so everyone calm down already!)

TheRealEssad: Haha, “the internet” never listens to reason

PirateWolf: Santa Keatts?

Kevin Clause?

JEOHankins2: The Kevin Clause sounds like a made for TV Lifetime film

TheRealEssad: If he can bring a bunch of presents before Christmas this year, we’ll be very happy

There sure are a lot of chances

PirateWolf: Indeed

Just beat UNC

... and make the tourney

TheRealEssad: Three big OOC P5 matchups and 2 ACC games all before new years

Done and done

Okay that’s all I had

JEOHankins2: Exciting times

PirateWolf: Sweet

Happy College Basketballing tomorrow, fellas!

TheRealEssad: By this time next week we’ll have two basketball games done, crazy

PirateWolf: And let’s take down Clemson... you know, for shits and giggles

TheRealEssad: Wouldn’t that be nice

I’ll text Dave

JEOHankins2: Like someone posted earlier...Illinois was a 30 point dog to Wisky sooooooo

TheRealEssad: You never know!

PirateWolf: True!

Let Dave know we’re okay with a win

TheRealEssad: Will do! Til next time!

PirateWolf: Later, guys! Go Pack!

JEOHankins2: yep!


TheRealEssad: Go Pack indeed